omni  05/15/06 @762

wow. been gone a long time, nice to see some changes happening. this is definately an excellent idea.

sdavis75  05/15/06 @770

Great idea! Edit: I do think 6 seems a bit too tight of a limit, but we'll see.

Almost-Human  05/15/06 @800

Only 6 in a MONTH??? This is really going to mess me up !! LOL Its a great idea !!

Martin  05/15/06 @803

For the record and to counter AH's confusing reaction: the initial limit is 6 artworks per month. We've kept it tight so we tweak it in a positive sense rather than a negative one.

pawlack  05/15/06 @847

I AGREE great idea.

ThruMyEyez  05/15/06 @858

It would have been good to start the count from today as now I can't submit a work for over two weeks but overall a good idea. I agree with sdavis it might be a bit tight but let's see what happens.

Wallace  05/15/06 @863

Excellent! although I feel sorry for A-H. Perhaps you could give him a 'special' treatment?

moserArtist  05/15/06 @866

An interesting approach. Think this is rather odd starting it in the middle of the month. Changing rules in the middle of the month is not very smart. I'd announce it, give it 2 weeks and start it by June 1st. If we know in advance we will adjust accordingly. This starting today is just stupid Being able to post 1 pic every 3rd day would give max 10 posts which would seem a less drastic change and a good interim solution. What if a post gets lousy points is it then possible to delete it and get a new one to post within the limits?

Byonder  05/15/06 @866

@moser: Why, so people could take advantage of the last two weeks in the month to flood the hell out of the gallery? Nah... Well, you guys already know my thoughts about this It's cool to see a response, and pretty quickly too!

moserArtist  05/15/06 @875

Would be fun to see the judges changing the rules in the midtime of for example a soccer game... The idea of limiting the number of posts is definitely good. The exact number of posts which will be the limit should to be monitored and tuned accordingly by the admins of gfx and eventually the limit will be a fare one. Still can't see the point by doing the change in the middle of the month. I don't think the flooding of the last two weeks is a serious issue. It is just not fare play with those who have already reached their limit. Unless they can delete posts and post others as long as the posted are within the boundaries (ie 6 posts as per the decision). Only one member benefits from this rule change in the middle of the month... Who would that be LOL

Juro  05/15/06 @875

Good, this should separate the artists from the spammers.

slaphapy5  05/15/06 @875

awesome idea! Mark

moserArtist  05/15/06 @877

So ThruMyEyes has reached the limit of 6 post already (not knowing the rule change) and do you then include him in the group of spammers???

hermik  05/15/06 @878

that is one hell of a tight number of submissions for a photographer, but I feel it's worth a shot! I think the idea behind it is right, and a trying it could result in a quality increase. I can however understand moserArtist's concerns - I think that the site might suffer very few submission on the end of this month since many people reached their limit today (as did I, no submissions from me this month any more!). STILL, in my oppinion it is OK to do it now, because it can also have it's benefits: giving people who don't post much even more exposure until the end of this month. After that it's all back to the "new" normal, so I wouldn't worry about it. I don't know what's wrong with me, this is my third forum activity today...

ThruMyEyez  05/15/06 @879

Spam, spam, spam!! We be spamming!!

Byonder  05/15/06 @879

I don't know, who would that be?

sdavis75  05/15/06 @885

We all know, Brandon, that this is part of your secret plan to acheive Elite status.

Byonder  05/15/06 @888

Curses, foiled again! I would say that the submission limit probably shouldn't apply to the "elites" since there really isn't a reason for them to flood (a.k.a flooding days are over/mission accomplished).

Martijn  05/15/06 @888

quote: Still can't see the point by doing the change in the middle of the month. I don't think the flooding of the last two weeks is a serious issue. It is just not fare play with those who have already reached their limit. Unless they can delete posts and post others as long as the posted are within the boundaries (ie 6 posts as per the decision). I can understand your concerns, but we felt that we'd better introduce this rule now, then wait another 2 weeks. However it is possible to delete artworks you don't want, (just unpublishing is not enough) and publish new one's. So you can still choose which artworks you want to add this month.

Byonder  05/15/06 @891

All the points on a deleted artwork will be lost though, correct? So someone can't upload six - delete - upload another six - delete, and still end up with 9,000 points at the end of the month?

ThruMyEyez  05/15/06 @892

If you look at the other categories other than photography in the elite galleries, I believe they already have too few submissions. I would think the elite section would be encouraged to have submissions but I understand the argument of photos vs. other categories would probably surface again.

moserArtist  05/15/06 @896

FUN FUN FUN!!! So that means that one needs to be tactical too... Assuming that the limit of 6 has been reached and the lowest scored post is not high enough you just delete it and go for another one (with the hope that taking that risk was worth it ie resulting in more points)... Good point mentioned brandon regarding voiding elite posts... Try looking at how many reaches more than 6 posts in any other elite gallery apart from photography...??? Can't be more than max 5 persons, right?! So now you have decided to go for this new rule by today... Sounds rather drastical. Pull it out and start June 1st. That is the only decent thing to do. You don't change rules in the middle of the "game"... Wow, I just counted my posts... Puh Still one to deliver before the end of the month, lucky me!

moserArtist  05/15/06 @906

MARTIN/MARTIJN PLEASE READ THIS COMMENT!!! AND JURO AND WYSIWYG... ======================================= Just thought of another inconsistancy with the rule in the middle of the month. How would you handle those having already posted more than 6 pics up until today??? Will they still keep all of their votes/points and thereby get an unfair advantage versis other members who have not yet reached that magical limit of 6 posts?! Or are you going to randomly delete any of their posts above 7. I think THIS IS THE SINGLE BASIC REASON WHY YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MONTH... Just take it back and start June 1st... The idea is still in the right direction to get better quality shots posted and less spamming!

ARTOONATOR  05/15/06 @907

Great, more balance between photography and the other arts. I like it. Nothing against photo's though, but this might make a change for the better.

RobertVovk  05/15/06 @907

Ok, nevertheless, you can't change rules in the middle of the game. June 1st is the only date that makes sense.

ThruMyEyez  05/15/06 @910

I realize the arguments about flooding and in some cases the almost fanatical drive to reach "elite" status by using the number of submissions. Again, in general, I agree with the action just taken. Patrick is correct in that the tactics will change but now the quality might improve so it's not a bad thing. I do disagree with Brandon's generalization : "I would say that the submission limit probably shouldn't apply to the "elites" since there really isn't a reason for them to flood (a.k.a flooding days are over/mission accomplished)." Most elites were not elected by flooding. My submission rate was the same in the members galleries as in the elite galleries and speaking personally, I was unaware of the requirements of being nominated when it occurred and never really considered it when posting my work. I've said this many times before and again I'll say I have no problem with rule changes as most seem to be for an overall improvement of quality and as such are worth trying. I think this may help with some of the inequalities of the current system. I think initiating this two weeks into the month with no advance notice was probably not the best way to implement it.

Kaduflyer  05/15/06 @913

6 a month!!!...man if I had the time to paint 6 good paintings a month I'd be a VERY happy guy! I bet those artists planning to illustrate The 7 Deadly Sins are gonna be annoyed!! Good idea though...seems a simple solution to some of the current problems!

emarts  05/15/06 @917

Dang, and I was just about to dump my vacation pictures here.

ThruMyEyez  05/15/06 @918

I want to see your vacation pics Samson!!! Can we get you an exemption?

kittyKat  05/15/06 @919

I just wanna say I really do like this new feature (what ever you wanna call it) but first thing that came to mind was paying members maybe they could have a bit more? I mean they do pay... maybe regular members only 6 per month and paying members maybe 10 per month just an idea.

moserArtist  05/15/06 @924

Will being a plus member thereby result in better quality posts? Don't really understand that logic

ThruMyEyez  05/15/06 @925

I agree! Paying members already have extra features and putting down your hard earned money should not be used to give them an advantage in the posting/point system. Plus members not only receive the extra features but more importantly support this sight and all that comes with it!

Furitsu  05/15/06 @927

It's an excellent idea, but best to start it at the beginning of next month, in my opinion.

Wysiwyg  05/15/06 @929

@Moser...I find it insulting that you keep referring this to a 'game' it's not. And Elite isn't a trophy. This site is based on the premise that people can learn/grow from one another in an artistic sense. @Everyone... I mean seriously, now if someone is going to go through the bother of posting works, not liking their point total, and unpublishing to put up a better work for more points....get a damn life. Some to be missing the point of this 'cap'. If points are truly your concern, and this is causing you to lose sleep at night...the perhaps GFX isn't the place for you. But if you feel eliteness is that big a deal, then just push yourself in creating better work, and it will come to you. Feel proud knowing it was accomplished through artistic merit and not an exploitation of a system flaw.

moserArtist  05/15/06 @933

@Wysiwyg: I wrote "game" (see the quotation marks). Of course I know of the general purpose idea of gfx. To share art and learn and share knowledge with others! Fine, still this is a site with rules on how to do most things. No crit on any of that. My crit comes ONLY on the timing for doing the change. I think you too can admit to this fact that it was maybe not so smart doing in the middle of a month. Or?

Juro  05/15/06 @934

Moserartist said: "So ThruMyEyes has reached the limit of 6 post already (not knowing the rule change) and do you then include him in the group of spammers???" No one is including anyone, I can't recall anyone mentioning any names here. I'll put a question to you now: are you saying spamming never happened to reach the elite gallerys by any member? If your answer to this is yes it has happend, then that is reason enough to have this system implemented. Our gallerys desparately need quality and people striving to reach it, rather than members posting everything they can to get a gold badge...

ThruMyEyez  05/15/06 @939

I sense this is heading to an all encompassing discussion on the vote, point system which has been discussed to death. I see no one arguing against the rule change but mainly about how it was implemented. As I said, I can live with it, it might help matters, but to do it mid-month probably was not the best idea.

moserArtist  05/15/06 @940

@Juro: I was just referring to Gary's earlier comment that he had reached the limit. I was being ironic in my statement (kapisch?). Spamming may have occurred in order for some to reach the nominees for elite. To that I would say yes, but not to reach it. AGAIN - I Agree on this rule change being good. Still the way it is implemented is not 100%. Do that change June 1st. Apparently I am not the only one reaching to this conclusion.

hermik  05/15/06 @940

actually I can't understand all the fuzz about points and numbers, esp. not from folks with elite status. I still think it's a good way of keeping the quality up.

ThruMyEyez  05/15/06 @943

Actually I've never been too concerned about points or numbers but only enjoy sharing my photos and the comments. I earn no money, free vacations, photo groupies, or any other benefits from having a #2 photo in the top 10 or a #5 photo. I do appreciate having a high rated photo and that people enjoy my work. We all earn the benefits of belonging to GFX and seeing that it operates in the best manner possible!

zanzibar  05/15/06 @948

I would like to see something more like loosing the elite status and the vote points after a time of innactivity.... This change is good but not enough.... And timing is not the best one indeed.

EDi  05/15/06 @955

Does the unused postings cumulates in the next month? Good idea, anyway.

sdavis75  05/15/06 @957

Regarding the timing of this implementation, I think the point is that the powers that be think that gallery flooding is a problem that needs to be corrected NOW, not two weeks from now. As far as the changing the rules half-way through the "game" argument, it only further reinforces why this limit was created in the first place.

Juro  05/16/06 @961

Moserartist said: "AGAIN - I Agree on this rule change being good. Still the way it is implemented is not 100%. Do that change June 1st. Apparently I am not the only one reaching to this conclusion" Why would the timing annoy anyone other than the gallery spammers anyway? This change would only affect the people posting too much work per month, in which case it was designed to stop this. Why does timing come into it? I don't get your point.

ogu  05/16/06 @961

I think this is a bad idea ... I understand the flooding issue but I think it's fun to communicate with people and discuss different pictures. I think another measureing system is a better. I do not publish a pic a day to become elite !!! I publish a pic when I think it's something I like to share. Or want an opion I think people like byonder could stop complaing and accept the site as it is ... Sometimes the complaining is marketing to get points ...

Juro  05/16/06 @965

"I understand the flooding issue but I think it's fun to communicate with people and discuss different pictures" It's even more fun to discuss quality pictures. Can you imagine how annoying it is to an artist who speads a week on a painting, posts his work, only to have it flushed away in a few hours by endless sketches and snapshots. I can.

ogu  05/16/06 @966

Yes but everyone is beginners sometime and need to get feedback If Im an beginner I may not know a quality picture ...

ogu  05/16/06 @968

Who will decide what a 'quality picture' is ?

ogu  05/16/06 @968

make for example the publishing anynomus for like the first 5 days. then it will be more creative and intresting ...

Juro  05/16/06 @969

The guidelines, and mods decide what is acceptable The anonymous system has been mentioned before, we have styles to our art and signatures...

sdavis75  05/16/06 @970

@ogu: I think "beginners" are expected to take advantage of the WIP forums. I don't think the galleries were ever intended to be for anyone who happens to own a digital camera or a copy of Photoshop.

Juro  05/16/06 @971

What most people don't realise is much more help is available in the forums for everyone, rather than the gallerys. If members see a sketch or below par work in the finished gallerys, they'll just ignor it and move one. Most of these works won't even get past the thumbnail.

moserArtist  05/16/06 @974

@Juro: Read my earlier comment above. I included you in the heading so it will be easy for you to find... To reemphasize I am just talking about the DATE FOR THE NEW RULE TO BE IMPLEMENTED...

Juro  05/16/06 @976

Still doesn't explain why the begining of the month would be better: 6 artworks is 6 artworks anytime of the year. Anyway it's in place now, we'll have to live with that. Personally I agree with it, to me mixing fast turn over artworks like photography in with work that can take weeks to create just one, has never been very fair anyway....

ogu  05/16/06 @976

And when is a beginner not an hangaround ?

moserArtist  05/16/06 @977

If 6 artworks is the basis for being nominated then it matters. If you have a site where one of the triggers is nomination and elite status then it matters. This will be my last comment on this topic... Don't even know why I bothered...

Juro  05/16/06 @980

Me neither Being an elite has always been a big thing to you anyway, lets face it...

ThruMyEyez  05/16/06 @981

I agree Patrick. For two weeks this month the system was on the old rules. The last two weeks in the nomination cycle is now under different rules. Obviously it doesn't affect either you or I. I can wait two weeks to submit another photo but I do believe it adds an untried and disruptive element to this months vote and point totals for those it does affect. Like Patrick, I've said my opinion and will leave this thread to the comments of others.

Andy--Jones  05/16/06 @985

I am all for this evolution. Nice one. ogu, don't forget that if you are a beginner (or a seasoned pro for that matter) and need loads of help and feedback , the WIP forum is an excellent showcase for that. In fact I think now that more people will use the WIP forum, more people will participate in it too.

ogu  05/16/06 @986

I think it's a pitty that all pictures need to be super quality all the time. For me elite is someone I can learn from. I think we could rename it to mentors. A mentor can give constructive critic's and show the way. Not show the way how to win the months competition. Some picture's deserves to be shown so we can learn from them. I can always open up 6 account's ogu1,ogu2,ogu3,ogu4,ogu5 and ogu6 and show my pic's anyway. Sleep tigth everyone ...

Juro  05/16/06 @988

Well thats one way to get ip banned, esp with all these new mods around And yes we are striving for a super quality site, not another DA/Elfwood free for all.

Traff  05/16/06 @993

I welcome the posting restrictions. They're not ideal but as a short-gap solution they will also help open up elite nominations to photographers who don't want to flood the gallery with their 2nd, 3rd, 4th rate works culled from their archives (if it wasn'y any good to publish 12 months ago how come it's good now?. If we concentrate on creating art instead of collecting points it can only be of benefit to Gfx as a whole.

ogu  05/16/06 @994

Can we have some statistic's ? How many are adding a pic a day ? Is it different between art and photos ? What is the avarage publishing ?

arisuart  05/16/06 @996

i think 6 limit per month is fair enough.

Traff  05/16/06 @997

Ogu - last months photo nominees had to publish an average 23 photos during the month (1.3 per day) to be nominated - Painters a 'typical' 5 per month. the discrepency is phenominal... I think a limit of 6 is a pretty good starting point... Phill

Byonder  05/16/06 @000

6 pieces a month is 6 pieces...whether it's now or next month, who cares? It's still 6 pieces. If you tell people in advance, they'll just use the time to abuse the system...it's human nature. If you absolutely HAVE to have a different set of 6 pieces for this month, just delete a few you've already uploaded. Patrick, why are you arguing for Gary? He doesn't seem to be incredibly perturbed, and you've already got your trophy, so what's the problem? Hey look on the bright side, at least this change wasn't implemented three months ago I have another suggestion, specifically for the "elites." How about expanding the new-submission bar to 2 lines, like the members have, except making one bar specifically for photography? That way the elite painters/illustrators/etc. who have a much slower turn-over rate will still get a good amount of exposure before having their work pushed off the front page.

ThruMyEyez  05/16/06 @003

Good idea on the front page Brandon! Now I'm off to seek therapy to deal with these changes!!

ogu  05/16/06 @005

Agree with u ThruMyEyez need to seek therapy ... My complete week is destroyed.. I can not publish more than 2 more pic's this month ... Maybe time for some fishing ...

Martijn  05/16/06 @011

When limiting something, the moment to implement it is never the right moment. If we'd waited 2 more weeks, it would still be unfair to some of you. About the elite's: We didn't bother about them that much. Tomorrow i will pump up some statistics, but I don't think there are (that m)any elites who "suffer" from this rule. About paying members: No, paying members will not be able to upload more artworks. This would give them an unfair advantage in the system in relation tot non paying members.

kittyKat  05/16/06 @045

ok... another question making post limited with posting will this give members a fair chance to get the points to get nominated? lets use 3D modeling for example many people vote but I guess they never get enough votes to even make any of the nominations so will this be like this through out all the categories? is it possible to get enough points with 6 posts? sorry if thats a silly question I guess you need over 500 points to get nominated? ok so ya it is possible never mind I just answered my self just pretend I was never here

Andy--Jones  05/16/06 @054

yes it is possible as I got nominated with 3 pieces last month But I dont normally post that many. I think my average is 1 or 2 a month.

coladelight  05/16/06 @193

I agree with the limit. It will be interesting to see it's effectivity in the quality of the entries in the gallery. I'm optimistic though I can already feel the load of work the moderators will be having from now...I've been a bit timid in sending messages to you guys when I see something out of order but started doing it recently and even sent messages to the members what I feel about their works when something is amiss instead of just commenting. Baby steps for me Maridol

kemp  05/16/06 @213

GREAT ! Probably the best thing that could happen here. ... oh, and for those who actually feel frustrated about this... keep in mind that the forum is always there... and it's a great place to post "unfinished" and "unperfect" works.

Squeaky  05/16/06 @221

Uh oh! I really don't like this! I understand the point for a lot of people, but I'm extremely prolific, and they aren't just 10 minute sketches. Each takes many hours. The only reason I make so much art is because I am ALWAYS ALWAYS drawing.... so if I were to post something and it not be up to par, Id understood if it were taken down, but if I have more pictures I worked hard on, I dunno what I'd do I'd be really disappointed. And I'm not one of the ones going for elite, I could hardly care less, I just love posting hew stuff. I just, by nature, work very very fast. My portraits only take a couple hours and I'm very proud and want to share them, I feel my gallery should reflect this as me as an artist, I've always wanted it to be very full because it shows how passionate I am. Oh well I don't know what will happen. I know I've done more than six before though.

shakadelic  05/16/06 @249

yay its all for the good. thumbs up

Thorsten  05/16/06 @268

Wow, this might give me the chance to watch the whole gallery in the near future. And who knows, maybe there is even time to start drawing myself after watching it.

Jane  05/16/06 @295

I believe this is a change for the better. Great idea!

MePhIstoZoR  05/16/06 @373

Yeah i'm all for it, sounds like a great change to me

Martin  05/16/06 @393

First and foremost, this limit is a measure to 'help' members submit their best work vs. every single thing they mock up. First step towards a better quality is to force people to pick their best ones. I agree with  zanzibar that this measure will not properly fix the problems around the elite nomination process, but it does limit the damage. By imposing this limit now we are getting reactions from members who are actually directly limited by the measure. I agree that a 1st of June may have made sense, but the limit won't be any different now than it will be next month. I must say I'm quite happy with the feedback so far and convinced that this limit will do the site good.

robwo  05/16/06 @434

100% agreed! I think this is the right way to go. If you ask me, even 4 uploads per month (1 for every week) would be enough.

kemp  05/16/06 @482

...and I'll add this : it's often part of the artist day-to-day work to be confronted to his/her own work and have to choose what he/she actually consider to be his/her best works. It's a hard process, but it's part of the job.

Diane  05/16/06 @489

That's really a great idea! It will allow painters / drawers / 3D artists / design artists and photographers who don't post 2000000 arworks per month to get some positive feedback / have more exposure instead of disappearing from the thumbnails list in less than 2 hours. New members will also have more exposure. It's a fair number and a great change for the better! For those who want to share sketches, speedpaintings or lots of shots they don't consider as their best ones, there are the forums Byonder's idea about the front page list is nice but it may be unfair for regular members. Great idea, thanks a lot for this change!

Cigaro  05/16/06 @524

ahhh...ok this is an extremely good change in matter of drawing and painting categories...but what about photography? there are a lot of members who post about 10 works every month and every single one imo is great...and everyone knows that if you want to get in the photography noms you have to have a pretty big ammount of submissions in that field every month but anyway...it still won't affect anything in a major sense, the good guys will get the same attention imo

headhake  05/16/06 @539

I think it is a great idea... but i think 6 maybe be a little tiny one... for example... there are some series that are for example made by 7 photos ( like one i am working on ) maybe i would point that maybe between 7 and 10 photos would be great... it obvious that are spam pictures ( maybe mine are too ) but i think that 6 maybe be a little bit too restricted to some of the non-spam artists... it is true that i don't submit a work for sometime now... I'm not having time in my life to be focused on my photos, but i think i could have a point here... just to be sure everyone understood me... i love the idea i just think that 6 is a little bit to exagerated ... about been put this limit right away i agree... it doesn't matter if it is now or in june... the sooner the better... Hugo Zenha

trevorm  05/16/06 @544

Agreed that the middle of the month wasn't the best timing, but overall, I think this is a great idea! Let's give it a try

moserArtist  05/16/06 @550

@Martin: Just made a small check into who, from the latest top 10 in the photography section, had posted already more than 6 pics (not a 100% accurate finding but still pointing out the minor issue here). The following members have posted already more than the limit of 6 posts. How are you going to handle any of them if they make it into nominations?  cherriness (8 posts)  tetbautista (7 posts)  RobertVovk (7 posts) Just curious... This is the problem with starting this in the middle of the month The idea is great and you seem to have 100% support from reading the comments and from me!

emarts  05/16/06 @643

Perhaps this month will just be a hiccup in the system. Those who feel that they need to post a lot of photos to make the nomination -- that's the whole reason for the limitation. You should get the nod for quality not for quantity. With the 6 limit, we're on a more even field. To be honest, I don't care if  cherriness get's a nomination this month and others don't due to the number of submissions. Let this month pass and let's move on. Elite status is not so important that it's worthy of such a heated discussion. Congrats to anyone who makes it. But I'm more interested in seeing good art/photos.

Juro  05/16/06 @646

Here here!

RobertVovk  05/16/06 @666

"To be honest, I don't care if cherriness get's a nomination this month and others don't due to the number of submissions." Neither do I

liiga  05/16/06 @672

I love you guys! <3 XD

OXXID  05/16/06 @675

Its ok with me I only publish one per week

Umanth  05/16/06 @678

Very good idea. To me it's hard to submit even 6 artworks for a month. But.. example; can I post 6 in photomanipulations and 6 in photographs in a month?

RobertVovk  05/16/06 @679

You can't, trust me

Umanth  05/16/06 @680

Mm.. are u sure? But I also think that is not allowed now then...

RobertVovk  05/16/06 @690

I am very sure. http://freeweb.siol.net/kvovgros/flood.jpg

emarts  05/16/06 @695

AS I understand it, it's 6 artworks regardless of the category.

Gianna23  05/16/06 @701

I have no problem with this. I post like what 3 per YEAR! I think this is a step in the direction of trying to keep this a quality art site that does cater to those of us who need improvement. This would be bad if there was no place at all to post work for preliminary critiques and help. But that is not the case. Plus they say do YOUR best. People should worry about the best they can do and stop comparing themselves to others here. Use the talent here as inspiration. An artist who does great work, but then starts shoving all kinds of work that is obiously not their best into the galleries just for points is abusing the system.

Andy--Jones  05/16/06 @703

Can I have more than 6 brunettes in any one month? Or do I have to ration myself? Its all so very unclear! I have already had 5 this month and its only half way through!

Azurelle  05/16/06 @743

I think for the painters this limit is not really disturbing since I have discovered that my maximum of "high/ good quality work" that I can do is 4 paintings per month. But well, I'm sure that this rule will mean that photographers won't post as much anymore, which could give this section an interesting boost of quality

Juro  05/16/06 @753

I don't think we should post every snap we make, as far as the old system went we just saw endless photos of scenery and pets. Lets hope this change will start pushing the photo's here into more original and interesting territory...

Tommyguns  05/16/06 @798

Hey Juro, about IP banning? That's what connecting through a proxy is for! But seriously, if you go through that much trouble to be a part of this community after a ban, you really don't have a life! LOL All in all, I like the system. I would increase perhaps the number of submissions to 10 a month. In all honesty, if this system were implemented last month, I probably wouldn't have a gold suit. Then again, I would have posted my 6 BEST so who knows. Regardless, while being elite is "cool," I'd give it up in a second to have more C/C on my work! I mean, that's really what this site is about right? To everyone who puts an honest effort into C/Cing others work, you're the REAL elites IMO. Keep it up and great job admin/mods! Tommyguns

Fooxoo  05/16/06 @835

6 is perfect - teaches you discipline, self control and self-evaluation - no matter wherther you are a photographer or a painter. Learn to evaluate people (esp. photographers, I know your shots are good ..... but look closer - maybe you can limit to 6 perfect!)

CityRose  05/16/06 @909

LOL I couldn't believe the number of replies I saw in this news item! I think 6 is great! Glad I'm not Martijn, I would have limited it to 3 People are worried about not being able to post so many pics. They may very well ALL be gallery quality, but think of it this way- if I know how to make an oregami rose, and I make ten of them, they may all be as beautiful and quality as the one before it, but they're all the same! Instead of seeing this new rule as a restriction, see it for what is really happening- the admin want you artists to explore your creativity and create works that are stand-out. It's easy to create a flood of great works when your skilled. But how about creating a flood of works that increase in quality and concept each time? Not so easy Make the changes now, make them later.....we'll always be stepping on someone's toes. The bottom line is, if you think that these rules are too harsh and should be changed, this site may not be the site you're looking for. GFXArtist is changing, and it is gearing towards a more specific audience. Some people will chafe at this, but it will not change for the minority. The wonderful thing about owning your own site is that you get to choose what you want to do with it! *runs away before tomatoes hit*

Andy--Jones  05/16/06 @914

Blimey CityRose that was short for you! ;-) Throws tomato

Juro  05/17/06 @964

She's getting away! *Unchains Andrew*

Wysiwyg  05/17/06 @968

Read Belinda's ( CityRose's) comment above me.. and when your done with that... ...read it again.

Juro  05/17/06 @970

Why read it again?....is it like the Da vinci code or something? (topical..see what I did there?)

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @972

There are SO many discrepancies in the Da Vinci Code!

Juro  05/17/06 @975

Yeah I bet Da Vinci didn't spam gallerys Sorry, sorry bad joke

cherriness  05/17/06 @977

Grr... it's a great idea; but why only 6????? Especially for people who do a series of work.... I think 6 is cutting it a bit short. THIS is a HUGE change... I understand the flooding that can happen by putting everything up in one day, but if 10-20 pieces are spaces out over the month it isn't as much a problem. And yes, people should edit through to pick out the best of their work - but this is a little bit extreme, only allowing 6 per month. What about the serious artist who puts out TONS of work. Those 10-20 pieces are the best of the best. Also, it kind of scares away new people who come to this site and want to get their portfolio up (somtimes consisting of years worth of work)... this would take FOREVER limiting them to only 6 per month. Not to mention the new work they produce. maybe ease up a little bit. But that's just my opinion. <3 Chels

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @977

How could he spam galleries? He carried the Mona Lisa with him for cryin' out loud! And yes, bad joke. I'm sad now. '( Tommyguns

Juro  05/17/06 @988

Tommy... Don't make me slap you with my glove again...

emarts  05/17/06 @991

Remember, 6 was just a starting number. Let's give it a try and give Martin feedback next month. If it's warranted, he'll up it I'm sure.

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @999

You can use your glove. I'll use the back of my bare hand in retaliation. Then I'll call my posse to finish you off!

Juro  05/17/06 @003

I don't need a pussy...I mean posse

deandude  05/17/06 @007

this is a move in the right direction! I couldn't be happier about this.

Wysiwyg  05/17/06 @022

So if a series of 12 works is posted within 10 days or 60 days...what's the issue? The space between entries in a series doesn't signifiy how much components do/don't belong together....that's rediculous. Again, there are plenty of other places on the web to post...if you can't wait a little bit to submit here than perhaps you should start submitting on other places to get a fix. IT ALLOWS ONE POST PER WEEK...WITH 2 EXTRA! Is it really that restricting?

emarts  05/17/06 @030

A nickel to the member who posts the 120th comment.

sdavis75  05/17/06 @035

I want my nickel...

sdavis75  05/17/06 @035

...right about now.

emarts  05/17/06 @046

Cheater!

Xris  05/17/06 @056

quote:  CityRose People are worried about not being able to post so many pics. They may very well ALL be gallery quality, but think of it this way- if I know how to make an oregami rose, and I make ten of them, they may all be as beautiful and quality as the one before it, but they're all the same! Instead of seeing this new rule as a restriction, see it for what is really happening- the admin want you artists to explore your creativity and create works that are stand-out. It's easy to create a flood of great works when your skilled. But how about creating a flood of works that increase in quality and concept each time? Not so easy Hear, hear!.

moserArtist  05/17/06 @425

@emarts: I should definitely get that nickel due to my 11 comments on this topic. Hear hear! PS. Mods don't count right? Juro had 16 comments

Almost-Human  05/17/06 @490

Well I am glad we sorted that out ! I agree with the following comments above, 19, 23, 56, 78, 93, 107. and line 3 from the 45th posting ! As I mentioned in my first post above its a great idea !!! LETS BE HONEST GARY, BRANDON and that Nutter ANDY HAD TO BE STOPPED !! There is one way of sorting out the elite system problems mentioned for this months nominations... have a open system in place, vote for anyone ? anyone who has posted this month ! .. use the poll system or a thread ! it doesnt have to be complicated !! EDIT, before any replies... lol Ignore that idea, it was as well thought out as my carpet, which is made of banana peel's

moserArtist  05/17/06 @546

Seriously... The problem to be solved is concerning the crap level of postings on GFX, right? Will the 6 posting limit really solve this issue? Each person will still be able to post 6 crap posts... The only ones getting bashed here are those who post much more in a month. Are those the "lousy" artists or the more "talented" ??? Probably the later and much due to the fact that they are chasing the nomination seats. In august/05 one could get nominated on barely 1300 p and in march/06 one had to have +3000 p (in the photography section). So who are we kidding now? I only think that the good members will publish and share less of their beautiful artworks. I still think that the major problem is in the photography section. A photographer can easily take 1000 pics in a weeks time. To only share 1 would be a loss to all at gfx. The idea of 6 posts can still be interesting and applicable if let say each member can only count his 6 highest rated artworks that month going into the elite nominations. ...and shouldn't elite members be left outside of this posting limit issue anyway? I'd love to see more than 6 posts by for example ThruMyEyes/Gary or Madanapale/Carlos in a month if they would want to, wouldn't you? PS. My 12th comment on this topic

Juro  05/17/06 @547

So when are you going to Bornio to visit the relatives Brian?

BaronImpossible  05/17/06 @551

So... are elite nominations still based on this 500 point rule? Why not just have the 3 highest scoring out of each category nominated? With maybe an extra rule saying the AVERAGE score must be, say, 300 or more? Having said that, I'm not too concerned, as my experience is proof that a person can achieve elite WITHOUT posting more than 3 artworks per month and WITHOUT being nice to any-damn-body at all

Andy--Jones  05/17/06 @556

I agree with the Baron! He is indeed a truly horrible person!

kemp  05/17/06 @568

@moserArtist : "I still think that the major problem is in the photography section. A photographer can easily take 1000 pics in a weeks time. To only share 1 would be a loss to all at gfx. " I don't think so. Keep in mind that this is supposed to be an "art" community. While I strongly believe photography can be considered as art in many cases, most of the photography posts in here aren't that great. "The idea of 6 posts can still be interesting and applicable if let say each member can only count his 6 highest rated artworks that month going into the elite nominations." Nah. The idea is not to control the amount of posts that counts for the elite nomination system... it's to limit the number of posts that are actually added every day. Less posts every day means more exposure for your stuff... (and your best stuff, since you can only post 6 a month...)

emarts  05/17/06 @585

That's exactly it. You work hard to paint your masterpiece or you spend all day shooting a scene and burning your memory cards for that one elusive shot. You post it. And in a matter of minutes, it's lost in the flood of other posts. I remember posting what I thought was my best photo and in just 12 minutes it was off the front page. I was disappointed.

HetRegent  05/17/06 @646

I think this is a great change, i'm sure it will influence the quality of the gallery's in a positive way. I think 3 month would be even better. After all your gallery is a place where you show your talent and skill through polished artworks, and not a storage for all your sketches, doodles and snapshots.

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @651

^I agree with emarts. I've had a few situations like that where an image I thought was quite interesting and was looking forward to some C/C was washed away in the storm floods. It ended up getting very little exposure. Regardless, I think this new system can and will work. While 6 posts is quite tight as been said before, it's definitely better than 2 or 3. This will also give us all more time to C/C other peoples work. Again, that's the reason for this place IMO and this system should probably make this place stand out even that much more. Tommyguns

Byonder  05/17/06 @657

"A photographer can easily take 1000 pics in a weeks time. To only share 1 would be a loss to all at gfx." Ha hah, not hardly. I wouldn't feel deprived if some people didn't share any If you can take 1000 good (even mediocre) shots in one week, well -- you'd be the most phenomenal photographer on the planet. Why don't you give it a rest, cause like you said...who are we kidding? Believe it or not, even the "elites" could do with some editing consideration before posting. This isn't going to hurt anyone. If you absolutely need to post a bunch of mediocre work...join dA. @ baron: It's a good idea - if people weren't prone to abuse things. With an averaging system I think people would still flood, hoping that any 3 of the 20+ works they submit would gain them the most points. It wouldn't really solve anything.

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @662

Another suggestion to the mods/admin... I don't know how difficult this would be to implement into your coding but perhaps you could have a row of artwork dedicated to each medium. Keep the 6 submissions a month, but make 2 lines in the photography section since this is the most posted in area. This will give more exposure to those who deserve it and will also be more convenient for others to click and C/C the work. Just a suggestion... Tommyguns

Andy--Jones  05/17/06 @662

Gawd! this is taking ages to scroll down now!

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @665

56K has been dead for awhile now dude....

Byonder  05/17/06 @666

Did anyone address your "number of brunettes" per month question yet Andy? Personally, I'd say as long as they were of excellent quality, more than six per month wouldn't be a problem...

Andy--Jones  05/17/06 @669

Brandon, no one ever addresses my problems! Its like I am talking to myself in this god forsaken hell hole!

sdavis75  05/17/06 @676

I'm always listening, Andy.

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @683

I see Andy's avatar and I usually just skip to the next comment...

SandraS  05/17/06 @685

This is the best thing ever happened on gfx in a long time.

moserArtist  05/17/06 @686

Andy who?

Almost-Human  05/17/06 @688

SPEAK ANDY ! We are all ear's !!

tetbautista  05/17/06 @693

kittyKat  05/17/06 @706

Brandon dont pick on my andy or I will ....... pinch you!

BaronImpossible  05/17/06 @706

Byonder: "@ baron: It's a good idea - if people weren't prone to abuse things. With an averaging system I think people would still flood, hoping that any 3 of the 20+ works they submit would gain them the most points. It wouldn't really solve anything." I think you got me wrong - I meant the 3 highest scoring artists, not artworks, based on a calculation of average. So... keep the 6-per month limit; at the end of the month, calculate an average for ALL artworks that a person submitted that month; if that average is over 300 points (say), and the artist is in the top-scoring 3 for that category, enter them into the elite nominations. I think this would work OK (the only thing is, the site would have to be intelligent enough to remember deleted artworks, else someone might submit 2 (for example), get 500 on one and 100 on the other, then delete the 100 and keep the 500 average!)

Andy--Jones  05/17/06 @724

OK Well when are we going to get back our free milk ? And what about giving us teenagers some nap time in the afternoon? And I think we should have a yearbook too!

RobertVovk  05/17/06 @736

I think that you should limit galleries to 1-2 artworks per month, Elite Nominations should be picked out of artworks that reached Top 3 in category. So you would be limited to post only good artworks. Elite Nominations would be nominated by Mods or trusted members (elites) and that public voting is proceeded.

monjo  05/17/06 @761

I believe the 6 post per month limit is a welcome rule change. In the few days since it's implementatation it has already proven to give ones art much more exposure time before being buried in the abyss. Unfortunately for me the rule change occurred after I had posted my six piece limit which were quickly lost in the flood. Kudos to the powers that be.

Almost-Human  05/17/06 @761

I dont know Andy, Juro looks after my lunch money !

Juro  05/17/06 @767

But I thought you was giving me that money for something else....

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @775

"But I thought you was..." WTF? Who taught you how to spoke English?

emarts  05/17/06 @780

Queen's English getting a bit Urban.

RobertVovk  05/17/06 @789

Lot of mods are offtopic.

Juro  05/17/06 @792

Who asked you Roberto? This isn't the forum you know Add something on topic if you want... Tommy...I'm South East London, what do you expect? la de dah? Don't make me open the can... And you know which can. And you know I can open the can.

Madanapale  05/17/06 @793

I guess this will make things easier for the next "Zim" or "Maham"... He or she will have only to steal 6 works...post them and make it to the elite position. Maha Malik - Discovered Who really was Maha Malik? Sometimes I wonder if he or she are still around? Carlos

Juro  05/17/06 @794

Ahh but just because they get into elite, doesn't mean they'll get away with it.

Juro  05/17/06 @796

This is the longest news ever...a record holder...

Madanapale  05/17/06 @797

But she or he, sure will have a lot of fun....or maybe he or she are still having a lot of fun! watching this forum.LOL

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @799

I have the golden can opener, so you're fugged! Besides, even if you DID get your 'can' open, you wouldn't know what to do with it. As for South East London, how far are you from the Forum Hotel? Tommyguns

Juro  05/17/06 @799

@Carlos Yeah, they have fun for sure, not much anyone can do about that. Fortunately they can't keep up the deception. More so if they did get elite than most other places...so I guess you could say it exposes them more... @Tommy I'm gonna go Rambo on your gallery in a minute If that place is in central London I'm about 15 miles away...25 minute train ride.

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @803

Rambo on my gallery? Oh please, don't do that! Please, NO! Go Rambo on all Brian's pieces. That'll keep you busy for oh, say 5 seconds! As for being in Central London, yes. It's literally a 10 minute walk to Buckingham Palace and the Science Museum isn't far either if I remember correctly! I wanna go back....

Juro  05/17/06 @806

Yeah The City (central) isn't huge, you can walk around it in a day. The rest is mostly houses, so the center is the best bit anyway.

RobertVovk  05/17/06 @808

"Add something on topic if you want..." and this is? quote Robert: "I think that you should limit galleries to 1-2 artworks per month, Elite Nominations should be picked out of artworks that reached Top 3 in category. So you would be limited to post only good artworks. Elite Nominations would be nominated by Mods or trusted members (elites) and that public voting is proceeded."

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @809

I haven't been to the UK since 97'! It's been awhile! When I was there, I visited many places in Central London as well as many other areas outside of London. In London: White Castle Tower Bridge House of Parliament (Big Ben) the Cathedral directly across the street from Big Ben, correct me if I'm wrong (Winchester Cathedral) Buckingham Palace Trafalgar Square Science Museum Other Places: Stonehenge Warick Castle Britsol (Realitives live there) Bath Many other places... Way off topic though...LOL I'm still waiting for that can you promised....

Juro  05/17/06 @815

@Roberto That wouldn't be enough, we're getting enough sculding from a 6 artwork limit. @Tommy Westminster abby is where you're talking about I think, loads of carvings on the main entrance. You didn't go to St Pauls? that's the best Cathedral in London, it's been done up recently too...come over again, I'll put you up, then we can discuss that can...

RobertVovk  05/17/06 @821

Hehe, I posted 10 artworks last year.

oldskool87  05/17/06 @821

great work If u could get people to vote more and add comments... this place would be perfect

Andy--Jones  05/17/06 @831

errrr the milk issue!!! told you I get no effin feedback!

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @835

I'd love to go back. Goin' on a cruise to the Caribbean in August so fundage is quite limited! As for putting me up, that's cool, but while you're discussing that can, I'll be providing you with a real life example! Tommyguns

Juro  05/17/06 @836

Thats what I ment by "discussing" I'm off to watch the football

Tommyguns  05/17/06 @837

I know what you meant! LOL Go watch the game! I'll be watching the clock waiting for work to end! L8z.

Wysiwyg  05/18/06 @971

God i wish there was a way to close a news item thread...this is outta control Moser...you posted after saying it would be the last time you commented...liar This isn't about 'crappy' works..that's only a part...flooding is the biggest issue. Again you can post 1 A WEEK AND STILL HAVE 2 EXTRA...that's not that restricting...it's actually quite generous imo. No response to the 1000 pics a week comment...that's just...er..no comment. @BaronImp...good ideas, bad timing/place...if not in the Improvement 'sticky' threads then post them there...though I think Carlos proposed that system long ago... This is NOT (directly) about elite noms...it's about ensuring equal amount of exposure available to all members in all catagories. Again, if you are losing sleep...well, you might want to find a new bed b/c it's not changing anytime soon.

Tommyguns  05/18/06 @991

^You seem more worried about it than anyone else...

Wysiwyg  05/18/06 @005

no..more annoyed by the fever this is causing others...though my ALL CAPS statements aren't helping I'm sure

BaronImpossible  05/18/06 @009

"@BaronImp...good ideas, bad timing/place...if not in the Improvement 'sticky' threads then post them there...though I think Carlos proposed that system long ago..." I've posted them in pretty much every thread on the site for the past two years... have mercy on my poor fingers...

Foot  05/18/06 @084

Good.

coladelight  05/18/06 @172

Hey guys and gals I hope I'm not speaking too soon...but "By Jove!" I think I can already see the positive effect of this move. The new entries in the gallery are really great! I'm off to do some admiring and commenting  emarts has a point about getting enough exposure of an entry.  Andy--Jones does breast feeding count? Maridol

Andy--Jones  05/18/06 @339

Maridol!!!!!!! How did you guess!

moserArtist  05/18/06 @346

@Wysiwyg: Don't you take your mods job a bit to seriously People should discuss and have different opinions. That is good! In general we are all saying the same ie limiting number of posts will do good. Don't tell those who have other opinions to leave gfx and go elsewhere. That is not particularily good discussion manner

MorWor  05/18/06 @351

Excellent.

Traff  05/18/06 @447

ARTOONATOR ... Great, more balance between photography and the other arts. I like it. … Nothing against photo's, but this might make a change for the better. Indeed, but, as well as averting the very real threat of photographers totally overwhelming GFX, (and turning it into a photographic community with a bit of painting on the side), I’d suggest that this mod is of vital importance to the Photographic Gallery itself. I try to view all new submissions to the gallery but quite frankly it was becoming untenable to do so - limiting the number of submissions will improve the ability of members to view and constructively comment on the new submissions… it will affect the quality of photographic work throughout the entire photographic Gfx structure. Phill

Traff  05/18/06 @447

Squeaky … I understand the point for a lot of people, but I'm extremely prolific … I'm not one of the ones going for elite, I could hardly care less, I just love posting new stuff. … I feel my gallery should reflect this as me as an artist… I think this could be easily accommodated – If the option to vote on an artwork that was posted in MyProfile was removed then pieces posted in MyProfile need not be restricted by the 6 posts rule. An artist that wanted to post artwork into their own gallery could do so without flooding the public galleries. Artists could post a wider range of their work under MyProfile and still select their 6 best for the public galleries. In photography you occasionally come across an ‘amusing’ candid that you might like to share but don’t see as a serious piece of art. I’d guess drawers/painters must run up similar in sketches etc. We all doodle, whatever our chosen medium. MyProfile might be a good place to share them. While we are quite rightly focusing here on Art we are, after all, also a Community. Phill

Traff  05/18/06 @447

EDi ... Do the unused postings accumulate for the next month? Well, I presume they don’t but, I’d suggest this is an excellent proposal. There will still be artists posting less than 6 pieces of work each month – come the elite nominations one member will be judged on the total points of (say) 3 artworks, another against the total points of 6. Should an artist be penalized because they only have the time to submit 1 artwork per month? After all I’m sure not everyone at GFX has the luxury of being a pro artist / student able to devote 24/7 to their art. An artist producing say, 3 or 4 pieces per month will always be at a disadvantage in the elite nominations – even with a 6 posts per month limit Quantity will still be a factor that distorts Quality. Under the current system there must be many ‘elite’ standard artists who simply aren’t prolific enough to run effectively in the nominations. A combination of a 6 posts per month limit and a ‘rolling’ 6 artworks portfolio, (ie the last 6 pieces of work posted even if they cross the monthly boundary), would ensure that there was no advantage given to those members who were more meticulous in their output over those that were more prolific. As a point of principle – and as a means of ensuring the credibility of the elite status members – I feel this is actually a vitally important ‘next step’ and one that, now that the momentum has been initiated, should be considered with the utmost urgency. It’s not a totally perfect solution… I can still see areas where the system could be ‘manipulated’ but it is a solution that, (I think), would not require any ‘traumatic’ coding modifications – ie it’s a solution that could be implemented in the very short-term, and those areas that needed further consideration could be addressed later. It would be a step in the right direction and any step in the right direction is, well, a step in the right direction. Phill

Linus  05/18/06 @463

i saw it late. but it totally refreshed me. this change was needed and will improve the overall quality. love it. good first step admins guys

moserArtist  05/18/06 @498

Please all take a look at this blog: In Defense of the Current GFX System by  sdavis75

sdavis75  05/18/06 @515

I still stand behind what I wrote in that blog, which I wrote before the limit was implemented. However, I do believe, as I said above (way above) that this change is a positive one.

Traff  05/18/06 @614

Martijn … it is possible to delete artworks you don't want, and publish new one's. So you can still choose which artworks you want to add this month. Wow NO!! – This is just re-focusing the emphasis on ‘collecting’ votes. Once again the balance is swinging in favour of members who want to Actively Campaign for a Nomination, at the expense of those who are focusing on creating and publishing their best pieces of art. Encouraging the deletion of low-scoring works to replace them with potentially higher scoring works is a retrograde step, it fosters the notion that this is an ‘aggressively’ competitive community rather than a ‘co-operative’ one. Besides, part of the process in developing your art is to recognize and appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of your own work, to be able to distinguish between your best, and less accomplished pieces. Limiting submissions to 6 per month is a positive step in persuading members to consider the artworks that they are submitting to the galleries – it shouldn’t be watered down. It’s not as if any artworks will disappear, they can be submitted the following month. This obsession with ‘collecting’ votes is the one major undermining factor of the credibility of GFX as a showcase for ART – the emphasis should be solely and utterly focused on developing your art. The flow of artwork through the Member Gallery / Top Ten / Nominations / Elite / G-Spot, should happen because members create great works of Art NOT because they are obsessed with running a Nomination Campaign. Deleting your weakest scoring work to submit a potentially higher scoring work in order to increase your votes total for elite nomination is derogatory to the efforts of other members who, if they can be considered to be playing a game at all, are playing by the spirit and not just the letter of the rules. There is a simple and effective way that this principle could be easily enforced... – and one that would not involve any program coding modifications at all. ( Martijn ) Provided all the rules were fully understood by everyone, at the end of the month, when the list of Elite Nominations are drawn up, each nominees monthly ‘history’ can be manually checked by admin and their total votes value adjusted if necessary. Where a member has deleted an artwork, the Points Value of their most recent submission is replaced with either (a) the value of votes accrued by the deleted artwork at the time it was deleted, (if this information is still available) or (b ) Zero, (if it isn’t). With the proviso that if a work was published and then deleted within (say)12 hours it may be reasonably assumed that the artwork was published in error and therefore not applicable for adjustment. This measure would help dissuade any Active manipulation of the voting totals. Phill

Traff  05/18/06 @647

moserArtist… Please all take a look at this blog: In Defence of the Current GFX System I don’t understand the relevance to this thread! Are you suggesting that the status quo should be maintained at all costs? Steve’s blog is both very supportive and very astute but his assertion “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” allows equally that if it is broken it should be seen to. The level of submissions in the photography gallery were becoming absurd – members who wanted to be considered for elite nomination couldn’t do so purely on the basis of submitting their best work – they were obliged to flood the gallery in order to accumulate sufficient votes. This wasn’t the fault of the nominees this was a fault of the system that obliged the nominees to behave this way - a fault that, with the restriction of 6 submissions per month, is now largely resolved. Phill

Byonder  05/18/06 @648

He's trying to make veiled jabs at me and failing. He referenced it again in my latest (The Worst is Over...), but with his motives a bit more apparent. Honestly, I don't think he realizes what he's saying though...

sdavis75  05/18/06 @656

Just to be clear. I wrote my blog BEFORE the recent changes and in response to those who have argued that the GFX system needs a complete overhaul, that votes, Top 10s, etc. are totally without value. While I believe that the world would go on spinning if we left the system completely unchanged, the limit on submissions is a thoughtful and perfectly reasonable modification that will benefit everyone in the long run. In short, my argument should not be taken as some sort of thundering denouncement of the recent changes.

Martin  05/18/06 @701

Obviously we didn't expect everyone to be cheering when we decided to limit the amount of monthly submissions per member. A large portion of members is hardly affected by this limit. The members that conciously relied on quantity to try and get in the nominations are probably unhappy, but I fail to see the problem there. The members that create mediocre works at a high pace and wish to show off each and every piece are probably unhappy. However, the limit forces them to select their better works. Maybe not very comforting for them, but good for GFXartist. The members that create quality work at a high pace and wish to show off each and every piece are probably unhappy. Still, we only restrict them to show their very best and force them to be more selective than they would otherwise be. A restriction that ultimately let's them profile themselves in the best possible way. Not very positive, but definately not negative in the bigger picture. Other than the argument that it was not very sensible to impose such a limit mid-month, there aren't any arguments that can convince us that this limit does not have a positive effect. Looking at the amount of comments, we would have heard them by now. The comments on this news post will be closed soon. And please, if you can't contain yourself and HAVE to tell someone how bad all this is for you, by all means complain to me. Do not, get into fights with other members because they don't have a problem with the measure. The squabbles we've had so far are more than enough and won't change a thing. BTW  sdavis75, I am quite curious about what you wrote as it seemed well thought through at a glance. I'll read it all when I find the time. and  moserArtist, I think you've made the point. No reason to keep recylcing the issues, nothing positive will come from that.