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Artwork Submission LimitEven though we are currently unable to make major updates to the system of GFXartist, not all development has seized. Today we introduce an artwork submission limit. In the past it was not possible to submit more than 2 artworks per day to GFXartist. This measure was implemented to make sure members would not flood the gallery with work. Not only is it annoying to encounter three pages of art from one artist in the new artworks list, it also decreases the exposure the artist will get on his works. We have now replaced the two artworks per day limit to an 6 artworks per month limit in order to target an even more important issue: "Upload only your best works". It has been in our old guidelines and it plays a role in our new guidelines. We want to see your best works, and not every scribble you make during your 5 minute coffee break. The old limit still allowed you to submit about 60 works a month. No way, all sixty are your very best ones. As it has turned out that it is not easy to limit your submissions to only your best work when you are able to submit 2 artworks a day, every day, we are now helping you to do so. You can upload 6 artworks right now, or spread them out over the month, but 6 is the limit and you'd better make sure it are your 6 most creative, inspiring, original and well executed works. Some of you may have encountered Byonder's guide to elite-ness. It is true that the more works you submit during a month, increase your changes to get nominated for elite. This new limit does not solve this problem, but it does avoid abuse. The limit also makes sure you use your 6 spots to the max, leaving out doodles that "aren't that great but maybe just carried you to being nominated" in the past. While some members will obviously feel restricted by this new limit, remember that we always have the WIP forum where you can go to post your drafts and works in progress. You'll find that you will get more constructive feedback there on unfinished and quick pieces there than you would in the galleries. The limit will be effective as of today, for this month and onwards. Elite members and GFXplus subscribers are also affected by this limit. Next month we will have a poll to get feedback on your experiences regarding the limit. |

05/15/06 @762
this is definately an excellent idea.
05/15/06 @770
Edit: I do think 6 seems a bit too tight of a limit, but we'll see.
05/15/06 @800
This is really going to mess me up !! LOL
Its a great idea !!
05/15/06 @803
We've kept it tight so we tweak it in a positive sense rather than a negative one.
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05/15/06 @863
although I feel sorry for A-H.
Perhaps you could give him a 'special' treatment?
05/15/06 @866
Think this is rather odd starting it in the middle of the month. Changing rules in the middle of the month is not very smart. I'd announce it, give it 2 weeks and start it by June 1st. If we know in advance we will adjust accordingly. This starting today is just stupid
Being able to post 1 pic every 3rd day would give max 10 posts which would seem a less drastic change and a good interim solution.
What if a post gets lousy points is it then possible to delete it and get a new one to post within the limits?
05/15/06 @866
Well, you guys already know my thoughts about this
It's cool to see a response, and pretty quickly too!
05/15/06 @875
The idea of limiting the number of posts is definitely good. The exact number of posts which will be the limit should to be monitored and tuned accordingly by the admins of gfx and eventually the limit will be a fare one.
Still can't see the point by doing the change in the middle of the month. I don't think the flooding of the last two weeks is a serious issue. It is just not fare play with those who have already reached their limit. Unless they can delete posts and post others as long as the posted are within the boundaries (ie 6 posts as per the decision).
Only one member benefits from this rule change in the middle of the month...
Who would that be
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05/15/06 @878
I can however understand moserArtist's concerns - I think that the site might suffer very few submission on the end of this month since many people reached their limit today (as did I, no submissions from me this month any more!). STILL, in my oppinion it is OK to do it now, because it can also have it's benefits: giving people who don't post much even more exposure until the end of this month. After that it's all back to the "new" normal, so I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't know what's wrong with me, this is my third forum activity today...
05/15/06 @879
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05/15/06 @888
I would say that the submission limit probably shouldn't apply to the "elites" since there really isn't a reason for them to flood (a.k.a flooding days are over/mission accomplished).
05/15/06 @888
However it is possible to delete artworks you don't want, (just unpublishing is not enough) and publish new one's. So you can still choose which artworks you want to add this month.
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05/15/06 @896
So that means that one needs to be tactical too...
Assuming that the limit of 6 has been reached and the lowest scored post is not high enough you just delete it and go for another one (with the hope that taking that risk was worth it ie resulting in more points)...
Good point mentioned brandon regarding voiding elite posts...
Try looking at how many reaches more than 6 posts in any other elite gallery apart from photography...??? Can't be more than max 5 persons, right?!
So now you have decided to go for this new rule by today... Sounds rather drastical. Pull it out and start June 1st. That is the only decent thing to do.
You don't change rules in the middle of the "game"...
Wow, I just counted my posts... Puh
05/15/06 @906
AND JURO AND WYSIWYG...
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Just thought of another inconsistancy with the rule in the middle of the month.
How would you handle those having already posted more than 6 pics up until today??? Will they still keep all of their votes/points and thereby get an unfair advantage versis other members who have not yet reached that magical limit of 6 posts?! Or are you going to randomly delete any of their posts above 7.
I think THIS IS THE SINGLE BASIC REASON WHY YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MONTH...
Just take it back and start June 1st...
The idea is still in the right direction to get better quality shots posted and less spamming!
05/15/06 @907
Nothing against photo's though, but this might make a change for the better.
05/15/06 @907
05/15/06 @910
I do disagree with Brandon's generalization : "I would say that the submission limit probably shouldn't apply to the "elites" since there really isn't a reason for them to flood (a.k.a flooding days are over/mission accomplished)."
Most elites were not elected by flooding. My submission rate was the same in the members galleries as in the elite galleries and speaking personally, I was unaware of the requirements of being nominated when it occurred and never really considered it when posting my work.
I've said this many times before and again I'll say I have no problem with rule changes as most seem to be for an overall improvement of quality and as such are worth trying. I think this may help with some of the inequalities of the current system. I think initiating this two weeks into the month with no advance notice was probably not the best way to implement it.
05/15/06 @913
I bet those artists planning to illustrate The 7 Deadly Sins are gonna be annoyed!!
Good idea though...seems a simple solution to some of the current problems!
05/15/06 @917
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05/15/06 @919
maybe they could have a bit more?
I mean they do pay... maybe regular members only 6 per month and paying members maybe 10 per month
just an idea.
05/15/06 @924
Don't really understand that logic
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05/15/06 @929
This site is based on the premise that people can learn/grow from one another in an artistic sense.
@Everyone...
I mean seriously, now if someone is going to go through the bother of posting works, not liking their point total, and unpublishing to put up a better work for more points....get a damn life.
Some to be missing the point of this 'cap'. If points are truly your concern, and this is causing you to lose sleep at night...the perhaps GFX isn't the place for you.
But if you feel eliteness is that big a deal, then just push yourself in creating better work, and it will come to you. Feel proud knowing it was accomplished through artistic merit and not an exploitation of a system flaw.
05/15/06 @933
Of course I know of the general purpose idea of gfx. To share art and learn and share knowledge with others! Fine, still this is a site with rules on how to do most things. No crit on any of that.
My crit comes ONLY on the timing for doing the change. I think you too can admit to this fact that it was maybe not so smart doing in the middle of a month. Or?
05/15/06 @934
"So ThruMyEyes has reached the limit of 6 post already (not knowing the rule change) and do you then include him in the group of spammers???"
No one is including anyone, I can't recall anyone mentioning any names here.
I'll put a question to you now: are you saying spamming never happened to reach the elite gallerys by any member?
If your answer to this is yes it has happend, then that is reason enough to have this system implemented.
Our gallerys desparately need quality and people striving to reach it, rather than members posting everything they can to get a gold badge...
05/15/06 @939
As I said, I can live with it, it might help matters, but to do it mid-month probably was not the best idea.
05/15/06 @940
Spamming may have occurred in order for some to reach the nominees for elite. To that I would say yes, but not to reach it.
AGAIN - I Agree on this rule change being good. Still the way it is implemented is not 100%. Do that change June 1st. Apparently I am not the only one reaching to this conclusion.
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05/15/06 @943
I do appreciate having a high rated photo and that people enjoy my work. We all earn the benefits of belonging to GFX and seeing that it operates in the best manner possible!
05/15/06 @948
This change is good but not enough....
And timing is not the best one indeed.
05/15/06 @955
Good idea, anyway.
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05/16/06 @961
"AGAIN - I Agree on this rule change being good. Still the way it is implemented is not 100%. Do that change June 1st. Apparently I am not the only one reaching to this conclusion"
Why would the timing annoy anyone other than the gallery spammers anyway? This change would only affect the people posting too much work per month, in which case it was designed to stop this.
Why does timing come into it? I don't get your point.
05/16/06 @961
I understand the flooding issue but I think it's fun to communicate with people and discuss different pictures.
I think another measureing system is a better.
I do not publish a pic a day to become elite !!!
I publish a pic when I think it's something I like to share. Or want an opion
I think people like byonder could stop complaing and accept the site as it is ...
Sometimes the complaining is marketing to get points ...
05/16/06 @965
It's even more fun to discuss quality pictures. Can you imagine how annoying it is to an artist who speads a week on a painting, posts his work, only to have it flushed away in a few hours by endless sketches and snapshots.
I can.
05/16/06 @966
If Im an beginner I may not know a quality picture ...
05/16/06 @968
05/16/06 @968
then it will be more creative and intresting ...
05/16/06 @969
The anonymous system has been mentioned before, we have styles to our art and signatures...
05/16/06 @970
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05/16/06 @974
To reemphasize I am just talking about the DATE FOR THE NEW RULE TO BE IMPLEMENTED...
05/16/06 @976
Anyway it's in place now, we'll have to live with that. Personally I agree with it, to me mixing fast turn over artworks like photography in with work that can take weeks to create just one, has never been very fair anyway....
05/16/06 @976
05/16/06 @977
If you have a site where one of the triggers is nomination and elite status then it matters.
This will be my last comment on this topic...
Don't even know why I bothered...
05/16/06 @980
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05/16/06 @985
ogu, don't forget that if you are a beginner (or a seasoned pro for that matter) and need loads of help and feedback , the WIP forum is an excellent showcase for that. In fact I think now that more people will use the WIP forum, more people will participate in it too.
05/16/06 @986
For me elite is someone I can learn from. I think we could rename it to mentors. A mentor can give constructive critic's and show the way.
Not show the way how to win the months competition.
Some picture's deserves to be shown so we can learn from them.
I can always open up 6 account's ogu1,ogu2,ogu3,ogu4,ogu5 and ogu6 and show my pic's anyway.
Sleep tigth everyone ...
05/16/06 @988
And yes we are striving for a super quality site, not another DA/Elfwood free for all.
05/16/06 @993
they will also help open up elite nominations to photographers who don't want to flood the gallery with their 2nd, 3rd, 4th rate works culled from their archives (if it wasn'y any good to publish 12 months ago how come it's good now?.
If we concentrate on creating art instead of collecting points it can only be of benefit to Gfx as a whole.
05/16/06 @994
How many are adding a pic a day ?
Is it different between art and photos ?
What is the avarage publishing ?
05/16/06 @996
05/16/06 @997
the discrepency is phenominal...
I think a limit of 6 is a pretty good starting point...
05/16/06 @000
Patrick, why are you arguing for Gary? He doesn't seem to be incredibly perturbed, and you've already got your trophy, so what's the problem? Hey look on the bright side, at least this change wasn't implemented three months ago
I have another suggestion, specifically for the "elites."
How about expanding the new-submission bar to 2 lines, like the members have, except making one bar specifically for photography? That way the elite painters/illustrators/etc. who have a much slower turn-over rate will still get a good amount of exposure before having their work pushed off the front page.
05/16/06 @003
Now I'm off to seek therapy to deal with these changes!!
05/16/06 @005
Maybe time for some fishing ...
05/16/06 @011
About the elite's: We didn't bother about them that much. Tomorrow i will pump up some statistics, but I don't think there are (that m)any elites who "suffer" from this rule.
About paying members: No, paying members will not be able to upload more artworks. This would give them an unfair advantage in the system in relation tot non paying members.
05/16/06 @045
lets use 3D modeling for example many people vote but I guess they never get enough votes to even make any of the nominations
so will this be like this through out all the categories?
is it possible to get enough points with 6 posts?
sorry if thats a silly question
I guess you need over 500 points to get nominated?
ok so ya it is possible
never mind I just answered my self
just pretend I was never here
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05/16/06 @193
I can already feel the load of work the moderators will be having from now...I've been a bit timid in sending messages to you guys when I see something out of order but started doing it recently and even sent messages to the members what I feel about their works when something is amiss instead of just commenting. Baby steps for me
Maridol
05/16/06 @213
... oh, and for those who actually feel frustrated about this... keep in mind that the forum is always there... and it's a great place to post "unfinished" and "unperfect" works.
05/16/06 @221
And I'm not one of the ones going for elite, I could hardly care less, I just love posting hew stuff. I just, by nature, work very very fast. My portraits only take a couple hours and I'm very proud and want to share them, I feel my gallery should reflect this as me as an artist, I've always wanted it to be very full because it shows how passionate I am.
Oh well I don't know what will happen. I know I've done more than six before though.
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05/16/06 @393
I agree with
By imposing this limit now we are getting reactions from members who are actually directly limited by the measure. I agree that a 1st of June may have made sense, but the limit won't be any different now than it will be next month. I must say I'm quite happy with the feedback so far and convinced that this limit will do the site good.
05/16/06 @434
If you ask me, even 4 uploads per month (1 for every week) would be enough.
05/16/06 @482
05/16/06 @489
For those who want to share sketches, speedpaintings or lots of shots they don't consider as their best ones, there are the forums
Byonder's idea about the front page list is nice but it may be unfair for regular members.
Great idea, thanks a lot for this change!
05/16/06 @524
there are a lot of members who post about 10 works every month and every single one imo is great...and everyone knows that if you want to get in the photography noms you have to have a pretty big ammount of submissions in that field every month
but anyway...it still won't affect anything in a major sense, the good guys will get the same attention imo
05/16/06 @539
it is true that i don't submit a work for sometime now... I'm not having time in my life to be focused on my photos, but i think i could have a point here...
just to be sure everyone understood me... i love the idea i just think that 6 is a little bit to exagerated ...
about been put this limit right away i agree... it doesn't matter if it is now or in june... the sooner the better...
Hugo Zenha
05/16/06 @544
05/16/06 @550
Just made a small check into who, from the latest top 10 in the photography section, had posted already more than 6 pics (not a 100% accurate finding but still pointing out the minor issue here).
The following members have posted already more than the limit of 6 posts.
How are you going to handle any of them if they make it into nominations?
Just curious...
This is the problem with starting this in the middle of the month
The idea is great and you seem to have 100% support from reading the comments and from me!