http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873 Copyright 2000-2008 GFXartist network / Brothersinart http://www.gfxartist.com http://images.gfxartist.com/gfx/GFXartist_64.png support@gfxartist.com en-us GFXartist Engine 1.0 60 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:06:38 EST http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980267718 LOL INTERNET Odin http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980158043 is it me or this is starting to look like deviant'art'? i don't agree on threatning moderators, but this thing of getting banned for all time :s i think ppl deserve second chances. and about juro's award? i, myself don't care, because that's not why i turned elite or other members turn elite or make them better. and like someone said here, if ppl have problems, they should solve them between themselves, not saying to the 'highest' that x did this to me or that y did that to me and that's why is going to get ban or something like that .___. anyways, peace and love please! acida http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980158021 Although I assumed my post would quickly start a fire, it's always a bit of a shock to come in and read through pages of frustration, simpathy and arguments. I want to explain some of my actions before directing you to another news post. The account suspentions were indeed heavy measures compared to the initial violations. The issues I dealt with, however, may have started as a moderator action on a violation, but ended in a personality conflict between two persons. When a situation gets to that point, I have no choice but to stick with the moderator I appointed and remove the member from the equation. You may understand, you may not. That's how it works. That doesn't mean I am okay with what happened or blind to the problems we're dealing with. Hence: Acting on current events (let's continue further discussions there) Martin http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980158020 Byonder http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980158016 HA! This thread is nothing but a bunch of holy crap! Go back to what you came here for. scandiaca http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980158009 Edited. Kelandra http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157986 Ho... i' readed almost all the comments and decided migrate to DA xDDDDD I don't like gfx anymore :3 Whatever, nobody will miss me anyway i'm just an ordinary user, so, doesn't matters at all. Byez ^^ and greettings from Chile Driany http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157977 Jen, I'm gonna miss you and I know for certain I will not be the only one. You are a gifted artist and it's sad that GFX has to miss such a person like you. If youre really going to leave us permenantly; be well and good luck on your endeavor; and never loose that 'edgy' side of your personality And where can we still see your artworks? Take care Vincent Wallace http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157904 Hm, I think I have mentioned this other website that has an elite system, too a while ago. Just as a reminder , something I find very good there: Admins (And Admins only) go check there the elites work and judge if it is worthy elite gallery. Besides of that, Administrators nominate the people for elite status, judging their work by their quality - so now fighting on points. Then the members can vote. You can also suggest a member for elite to the admins. In generally this has been working very good for all the two years I have beern there, so I wanted to name it here as a suggestion. Azurelle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157856 Does this mean I have to stop the insult-match with Glenn? That'd be a bummer. And...you guys took my Cypherx away!?? That sucks really bad. She might be recalcitrant, but at least she makes sharp and brutally hounest observations. You guys should take benefits from that and not take it on the big ol' ego. Anyway: I'd like to say that the GFX intentions are good. But.... I think some of the mods are unfit for the job they carry. If we are not allowed to speak up on that one, the management is failing. Look it up in the books on organisational psychology. You think I shouldn't take it that seriously? Why? This is a community isn't it? Be happy I take my role here serious, it shows I have a heart for the wellbeing of GFX, because I've loved this place all along. I've tried telling the management about my main concern several times, in several ways: The only thing that bothers me is the absence of a valid clause that defines the meaning of quality, so that interpretation on this point isn't an option. Now the guidelines leave gaps for the mods to interprete quality where for instance a quality concept was the first intention. But the guidelines make it possible for the mods to let subjectivity play a part in the judging. That's asking for trouble. This goes on artworks aswell as points of view. But allmost every answer I get in return is defense, defense, defense. But I can imagine team GFX's frustration. First everybody is complaining about the system. When they put a lot of effort in making it better, the complaints don't stop. Ofcourse, that sucks. But it doesn't mean all complaints are unjustified. It doesn't mean one should stop listening to valid arguments, it doesn't mean the guidelines should be declared holy and the doors on that topic should get closed. I've seen artworks dissapear that, in my profession (and I believe I still have 10 years of experience in the GFXworld plus 4 years of experience in didactics to back me up on this one) were very interesting and refreshing and DID meet the guidelines from an objective point of view. But if that high level isn't recognised by a mod through trhe guidelines....gone! That, to me, is a sign of either incompetence, or it means the guidelines need a little more work. And, just to keep people posted: The conflict some people think I've got going with Glenn doesn't excist (for all I know). The problems people think I have with crits on my work don't excist. It's all about the above, to me. If you set guidelines, make sure they are a strong basis for real consistency. Not the type of consistency we've been witnessing in the last few months. ARTOONATOR http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157855 Wow! I almost stop using Gfx for a while now, also works don’t give much time… but occasionally I make a visit posting a work or two, just for fun to see what changed… I would thought it would be better, but as I see it’s getting worst on all levels… can I question the “government” or I will banned too? The thing is GFX needs to change. On deviantart or CGnworks you don’t see all this problems constantly and people leaving all the time. The problem… voting system and the elite and non elite artist’s category. This creates a lot of wrong feelings to one another. Exemple: You a work on Deviantart, people that like it go comment, friends fav it or not and that’s it. Posting at Gfx… friends comment… and vote (voting for what? Oh the elite, right!) so many people try make lots of friends to go to elite, then you see lots of works that are crap with huge votes and you think, what in hell is going on here, now this makes me laugh, some people live on illusions and you see works much better that are unnoticed with small voting. Since the points gives visibility on the top 10 and Best artwork… in this cases GFX is making a bad job to the art world. Then you get when you post a work those comments, like nice concept!!!!! Cool!!!! Amazing!!!! And you think wow I must be great… but after a while you begin noticing that most of the people that make this comments do it so you go look their work, because their posted an hour ago and they comment that way on all the works they can find. Once again the reason VOTES. The all voting, creates a lot of argue between people here people hating each other, false friends just for the next vote. You’ve created all the elites… but their all leaving, why is that? And about all this argue in particularly, I’m sure that talking instead of banning would have been much better for all. Peace Tiago Sorry for all the bad English, my native language is Portuguese Grafik http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157846 ah okay. bakatron http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157844 hmnn, perhaps I should have been more clear, mine was a photo reproduction, I believe it only applies to © photos. People can still paint/draw celebs, just not based off of a photo, or coming too close to the original photo I'm guessing. And if it was in the elite area, it was because it was submitted before the date of the new policy I was given (I checked). gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157843 i think i saw a celeb drawing recently in the top 10... bakatron http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157836 Wallace, I have to say, in my opinion, not that I know him all that well, Codehead is by and far the most reasonable mod at this site, as he doesn't get emotional, keeps himself level, and answers things in a manner that can be understood quite clearly. There's another mod as well that seems to be down to earth, but I can't remember his name damn it. And I was told why in the regards to "because it was a celeb drawing" but I wasn't told why in regards to "We used to allow celeb drawings, but no longer do because of a new policy that allows for anything before the policy went into effect to stay, but all new works to be deleted" until after basically having to cause a "scene" wanting to know when such a policy went into effect. Basically at the time felt I was being singled out, which wasn't the case, but were someone in my shoes, I imagine they would have seen it in quite a similar way. gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157833 "I posted a piece of artwork that was taken down for being a celeb portrait around June 10th of this year, but I can't be certain to the precise date. I asked why, and was told not to question the decision" I think that's lame, I believe every artist here has the right to question an artwork removal AND are entitled to have an explanation. I too have an artwork removed recently, and I got a full and sincere explanation why GFX have decided to take that action. The mod who notified me was 'Codehead' and in my opinion he did (very) well in engaging the little debate we had. just my two cents Wallace http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157828 Christ, is it just me, or do some of you buy into whatever you're fed a little too easily? Let me break down the “ongoing problem” I've had with the mods. I was a member of GFX since 11/29/2004 & up until June of this year, I never had a problem with the mods, never got a complaint. You people who say this has been a long-time coming are talking fluff, and embellishing, and you people who're so easily swayed and so upset that attention is being diverted from wherever it “should” be are probably the exact same way with everything in your lives so I'm going to try and not take it too personal. I posted a piece of artwork that was taken down for being a celeb portrait around June 10th of this year, but I can't be certain to the precise date. I asked why, and was told not to question the decision. I knew there were other celeb portraits on the site, so I asked why it was ok for them to be here. I was told not to bring up other works of art. I was told I should be using my skills for something other than “copying photos”, I told them where to stick it. It took me getting annoyed and having to go around in circles with several mods in order to get a straight answer, which ultimately came from Martin & Codehead, at pretty much the same time letting me know the date of the new policy and how all works submitted before it were of course exempt- I understood perfectly ( I did get a whiny answer from Pam, but it was so cryptic between her sobs, I really couldn't make it out). So basically my problems at this site began with me legitimately asking why something was taken down. Perhaps I should have known all the rules and guidelines, and known exactly when they were changed, but I honestly didn't. Anyhow, after that, Juro, and Pam continued to poke at me, after I had dropped it, and I continued to respond in my typical manner, until Martin notes me telling me to stop picking on Juro because basically Juro's crying about it and the other mods are getting upset with me. I told him I couldn't promise anything, especially if I'm provoked. I tend to be highly reactive, as I see no reason I should let certain things slide from anyone. Brett, number one (oh congrats on your cheer squad with Pam there! Ra!!), I didn't make a comment about a comment. I made a teasing remark about the trophy, and several people were there to witness it in saywhat, so saying otherwise is pretty much pointless. Two, your posting what I noted to Juro was perfectly fine, as I gave permission already, and yes, that's exactly how I remember it happening. Aside from the fact that Juro noted me prior to that regarding my comment on him removing the trophy, which I opted not to respond to. So yeah, the ongoing “war” I've had with the mods is a bunch of hype as it's been a little over a month, you people easily buy into it though, as that's the best way to deal with things *thumbs up* And I've never had a mod note me on CGtalk trying to push my buttons, but I imagine if they did I would react in the same way, and I think it would be just as justified as it was in this case. gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157814 What if the community would "elect" their mods and the period for a mod would be on a quarterly basis. That would put the focus on those that the community like and dislike. This would give a better feeling for the role and its responsibilities. More respect from the members and having more members in the spotlight. I understand that this role is a difficult one and it is very much needed. Just that some are better at it than others. I think I speak for more than myself on this matter. Maybe worth its own thread even? I hope I won't get kicked out for saying the above... Especially as I have been warned once already by the authorities. I got a "last warning" even before I had received my "first warning"... That is classy! moserArtist http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157802 We must keep in mind that this was an on-going problem, meaning, this wasn't the first and only time that she has had disputes with the mods. There is a point in time where nice talk just doesn't get through. But nowhere in Juro's pm did I see him going out of line. He stated a few times "as I've said before". He also said "as you're already on a warning from Martin ", meaning, things had ALREADY gotten bad enough for Martin to get involved and issue a warning. Hardly seems like a spur of the moment decision, right? I've seen how the mods work- things get discussed by all of the mods together and Martin, they get discussed to death, before a major decision is made. They like to keep our members, but if they keep behaving that badly, they have to send them to detention sooner or later, don't you think? I've gotten banned from a website before. Wanna know why? It's because I accidentally posted a topic in the wrong forum. I think we've got it pretty good here. CityRose http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157772 I think people are upset not moreso because of the banning itself, but because it's raised a longstanding problem? I know a mod's job is hard, but there's no denying some people do it a lot better than others. I've co-managed a forum before in an online game, and we had some REALLY whiny people. A friend and I kept to a code of conduct as mods -- be objective, be fair, treat everyone with respect and no godmoding. It was surprising how the people we didn't much like respected us just because we stuck to these rules. The comparison falls a little short, because our playerbase wasn't that large and GFXArtist is a very large community. But, personally speaking, if Juro had sent me the exact same message, I'd spazz as well. It doesn't sound objective, it sounds threatening. If he really wanted Cypherx to behave, IMHO, he might have at least phrased it better and not made it sound like he's baiting. Just my two cents lyn http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157743 Not taking sides here... but it seems like a lot of adults still have some growing up to do... Can't we all just get along and enjoy the artwork? purplerose http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157721 ok ok Barkatron ya got me one last word... I find it UNFORTUNATE that the attention span of the net community is so short...I was merely stating examples. I'm a bit of a mush, so I do think about those folks. Many people leave for different reasons as has been discussed in many threads: Personal matters Equipment failures Just moving on to conquer other sites (acheived elite then leave) Death (not meant to be a joke, please don't take it as such) Some don't get the critiques they crave here anymore, and are tired of oohs and ahh' A site from their native country to which they feel more at home Some hate the vote system (me too ) Job opportunities (Enyala at CGTalk for example) Regardless, I still keep in touch with a few of the artists I mentioned above.as best I can, but that's neither here nor there. Even Cypher mentioned above how social/political/environmental disasters are forgotten easily, funny how information travels farther and faster than ever, only to be forgotten sooner. P.S. Thanks for the kind words...I'm trying is all I can say...I really get no pleasure from this job, it's a constant headache, but I do it b/c someone has to..I may have some green pixels next to my name..but I'm just an artist here to learn like everyone else... Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157710 okay so youre telling me that past artists who have gone dont seem to matter? why did they exactly leave anyway? this forum has lost some amazing artists as of late - does anyone remember a man by the name of shayam? do you know what he represented? to most south asians (india, pakistan, afghanistan, nepal. bangladesh, sri lanka) he was one artist who actually inspired us to try harder here. guess what - he's gone for the time being. do you know how many cg artists in pakistan and india adore his work yet the gentleman he is he just walked out of here without a word? does anyone know or care why he's gone? he's actually a beacon for all the untapped grassroots talent that out there in this region. peachysticks, anry, eowyn are amazing artists. why arent they here anymore? im sure they had personal lives or things that forced them to move on but why would they move on in the first place? youre telling me no one remembers them? are you kidding me? the real strength of any forum is the ability to keep its artists there for a long period of time. imagine this - most of us migrated away from deviantart to come here and now - we're all going back. doesnt that even concern you that its because of one person that this is occurring? this is what this has turned into and no one is noticing. as a mod,   Wysiwyg is excellent. ihe does everything a mod should do and has the professionalism and ethic to do things the right way. ive had a few pieces of mine unpublished because of incompletion - im cool with that. just tells me to work harder. i just wish some others would follow his example. back to my argument - past artists are what made this place. people do remember. thats very important. bakatron http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157706 Kindergarden. There are always two sides. If both would decide to calm down a bit - maybe if Juro and moderators would decide to not act that much in a way that makes people feel annoyed of them and Cypherx would decide to behave herself more in the future, this could be a real problem solve and 129 argument posts about the question of life being fair or unfair wouldn't be necessary. Go, have some icecream! Azurelle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157704 Thanks Tommy...   Alecueous ,   arenhaus is around...he's made mention that he's taking some time off ( lack of connectivity) as he is located in range of some of the Rockets being shot off by Hezbollah...wish him luck..wish him well, and he'll be back here to promote Loomis in no time er...um..well that last paragraph should put things in perspective for about everyone. I've said more than I should, my points are there for review I have no further input on this matter. ..I'm off to go watch the news....and go wish Eugene (   arenhaus ) well.. Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157703 Hang on! why did I just become a god? I dont even understand half of what you all say on here! I said I didnt even want to be a mod so dont be putting diety duties on me now!Besides what would father think? Beelzebub has a feud with that lot upstairs. Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157702 WW, because everyone, even when they KNOW they're in the wrong, wants to be right... its a human thing to be angry and strike out after being put in their place or punished in some way... and being social creatures, any cliques involving the person in question implode around them, forming a shell of resistance and namecalling. Humans are emotional beings with a hint of reason to them that vanishes quickly at the first sting. And since both mods and artists are human, both may react similarly... I dunno any of the people involved, but I do know people.. .they're all very knee-jerk about offenses and such, don't take the time to think and reply with governed self moderation. emagery http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157701 This is all about enforcing guidelines, a task which falls to the mods, and a thankless one they perform pretty well. Artists should return to the art! ThruMyEyez http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157700 AJ is my hero. The end. Tommyguns http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157699 And together they are working for a One World Power ruled by a single economy... ..nice theory...but it would make for a better TV Drama. Don't think you'll hurt yourself.. That's why there's so much crap going on...people are trying too hard to fill in gaps and not read what's just there... Andy Jones is a god amongst men...is there something in that? No..it's just fact. Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157698 I must admit that I do miss past members. Arenhaus (oh, the bluntness), Anry.... I miss their input and their artwork. In other thoughts, I was thinking about when I was an officer on EverQuest (yeah, okay, you can laugh, I've heard it before...) and I remember not being too fond of the aggression meeted to people trying their hardest to keep their tempers and be fair. Horrible job, really, especially when you're in a game trying to enjoy yourself. So, really, I think now that I know the sitiuation better, the noise being made is a bit much, and I think I'm going to enjoy looking at wonderful artwork, which is why I joined this site in the first place. Goodbye for now, you silly, silly people. Alecueous http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157697 WYSIWYG...I will look for a high res link. This image isn't mine. I know one exists though. Tommyguns http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157696 because i keep gettin banned? the gladiator episode was linked with the next paragraph. his work was singled out for being overrated. Then he does the same thing to someone else, as a mod. I thought there was a connection there, maybe I'm wrong? Martin's banishment was spark by Juro's (what i think) personal agenda agaisnt Cypherx. gfxtist http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157694 @Tommy...that was awesome Do you have a hig res link? I would love that for work. @emergy...thanks for the support, but I in no way consider this 'my site'...it's our site ideally, but in reality it's Bros. In Art's site. Which really is the point of all this..why is everyone upset with the owner/founders declaring that certain behaviors aren't in line with their vision? It's their site, they do it as a hobby...frankly, I'm grateful as I get lost at CGtalk and all the threads..thank god they have that porfolio option now. Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157692 Well Dreamtheater...what is this..your 4th alias now? For someone who tries so hard to hide themselves I'm surprised you haven't the nerve to just say you are talking about Glenn... And why are you bringing up stuff that happened over a year ago...before he even was a mod? I mean his Gladiator painting? Geez..that's reaching..everyone boasts leaving and then comes back..I think Imperfecta has done that 3 times now For such a rant you really haven't stated anything...you used to be better at arguing. The moderators have talked...and decided that Glenn need not defend any decision that MARTIN makes. My long rants were my own words (except quotes) and my own personal feelings on the matter, as I won't fit into the ideal that most members have of moderators and their lack of permissions to say something that they may break the visage of uber-objectivity...as you stated above..we're all human Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157690 wow... i'd no idea stuff like this was going on... but i guess the kind of relative detachment from the site, and not really know anyone here, mod or otherwise, is why my works don't get much attention =P Anyhow, wow... modding, support... these are thankless jobs, but also jobs that CAN be abused by the right person. I suppose everyone involved has to understand that no one here is a robot... and we're not even remotely all the same, culturally, hailing from all over the world. If you read a note/message that seems initially offensive to you, get out of your chair, get a drink, look out a window (if possible) and then come back and read it again... completely. Don't react to a particular line, don't reply before you've read the whole thing twice. It is so very easy to react wrongly, or misunderstand a person, especially when all you've got is text and no body language or tone of voice to guage. Artists: The more drama there is, the tougher the job of the mods and boss. And, ultimately, this IS their site just slightly more than it is yours. Like Wysi said, try BEING a mod for a while, and yet come away without respect for their toils... it really isn't a likely thing. They've got feelings, same as you. Mods: Without these artists here, there be no GFX. Don't lose sight of that. Yes, keeping the site qualitative is important... moderation is important, especially where anyone can post a comment. There are too many examples of sites out there you DON'T want GFX to become. But keep in mind, it takes an emotional mind to BE an artist... tread carefully, and treat them with as much respect as you expect for yourself. And like I said.. read completely, and reread, every one of you. When all you've got is text, it is far too easy to read your own emotions into the words the other has written. emagery http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157688 Tommyguns http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157685 this isn't about mods. its about A mod. by now we all know who that is. I mean c'mon. Ever since he was knighted moderator, one unknown member spoke up and questioned it. Posting a pm in an argument about something or other. Whatever it was about, it was depicting a very immature person, I believe some insult about someone's mother were called. it was countered with an apology and an "everyone's human something or something defense" that issued was solved but still give you an idea that he was and is not fit to be a mod. Then, theres the Gladiator painting fiasco...someone cried overrated work, hilarity ensues, the artist makes thread to proclaim his grand depature then decides comes back within a week. poo. A year or so passes, Lets take a reality check is created. oh no! works arn't being voted fairly, no worries citzens!~ Hes on top of it! lets pick off someone else's artwork to used as an example and hope it doesn't hurt their feelings. talk about....silvery-white, lustrous, malleable, ductile, magnetic or magnetizable, metallic element occurring abundantly in combined forms, notably in hematite, limonite, magnetite, and taconite, and used alloyed in a wide range of important structural materials-ic. or Ironic. the real question is, why hasn't he defended himself yet. what with the two sided to a story talk. gfxtist http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157684 I already have Brett lol I have finally lost it with them and their inconsistant submission acceptances. Sent an email. Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157682 FOOOOOOOOT!!!!!! Oh geez, with you and me here...and now if Codehead shows up it will be Political Debate Thunderdome!!! Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157681 Don't bring the government into this one Wysiwyg! You know better than that! *steam rises from head Foot http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157678 Hey Andy, you should go yell at the folks at Epilogue!!! Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157676 hahaha there is no way on earth I am gonna be a mod when I grow up!!! Could you imagine anyone ever taking me seriously! Me 'Please do not abuse this person hard work' abuser ' HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA' Brett you have me mixed up with Alien I think Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157673 eatpoo, spoono, cgtalk, conceptart.org, epilogue...yeah go tell a mod there to screw off and see if your IP isn't blocked Oh...and I don't respect Andy...I FEAR him Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157672 No...not at all.. I'm talking about understanding.... Understanding that as a moderator, we have been entrusted to carry out policy, and when those wish to disregard that policy, even if the Admin/founder has given you a warning...well what do you expect.. Regardless, the whole news post isn't about Cypherx...despite how it's been twisted to be as such. There's no hidden meaning, it's all up there in Martin's post. Mod makes decision Member disagrees..debates mod Mod discusses with other mods..if decision stands: Member notifies Martin (mod's boss) Martin makes final call So yeah, pretty much it all does come down to Martin as someone stated above me...it's like those who bash President Bush, don't realize that the House and Senate are the ones who keep him there Alot of displaced aggression really. All in all Martin has again put the offer on the table for those who wish to change GFX for the better to take on the mantle of Moderator. I REALLY hope some of the naysayers do so...as I have had almost 5 heartattacks from laughter watching Pam squirm as everything she had done to the mod team (almost got banned herself) has come back to her and she now realizes how difficult a position it is going from 'one of the gang' to 'one of those moderator assholes' Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157670 because I'm obviously not as intelligent as you, byonder....i need things spoon fed to me... deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157669 "Or maybe the new member that was creeping out one of our regulars?" Brett, please leave   Andy--Jones out of this argument. He has apologized to me about that....we are brothers now, it's cool... deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157668 Have you ever tried going to another art site, such as eatpoo , and disrespecting a mod there? You'd be banned without a second thought... I don't see how this is a novel concept. edit: I do agree though, that badge-flashing can be irritating. That seems to have tapered off though since they were first selected. Byonder http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157665 I think its the 'dont disrespect the mods'thing that annoys people though, rather than this one specific incident! Its like you are saying we deserve more respect than the rest of you! Now I myself DO respect you all and what you do,but I respect normal members just as much. Like I have said before I would never do your job, not for all the tea in China and you KNOW I likes my tea...but you all did choose to do it! All I would suggest is just do your jobs but try not to flash the badges in everyones faces so much and try not to be so gung ho with your censoring and warnings! That is only going to cause people to rebel! this site needs moderating, no arguing there, but not so it gets to a point where we will be walking around on eggshells. Anyway that is just an opinion and not an attack. I just think everyone should chill a bit! And yes you do a great job on the getting rid of stalkers (aint caught me yet)and art thieves etc but I dont think that goes unnoticed. HAHAHAHA Did I try to say something serious? jesus I feel dizzy. Ahh well that is the last I will say on the issue. I want to get back to the wall Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157663 still Brett, this comes down to the mods not getting their due repspect? Am I understanding you correctly? WOW deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157652 Bravo 10+ for real.. kittyKat http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157645 My cable and internet have been down all day...man...much to catch up on. As predicted Jenifer you came on back from the void to get your last word in, for a sense of self satisfaction in achieving spotlight once again while vieled in a thin layer of the classic argument of the man trying to keep the little person down. The reason Juro, and many a moderator have not responded is simply that we don't need to. Our case was explained and don't forget..YOU WERE WARNED ONCE BY MARTIN BEFORE THIS INCIDENT...and yet you blatently continued to ridcule the mods, the admin, and this sites policies. Ok, for the sake of balance and informing the members....here's the other side: Cypher makes critique about someone else's critique that was nothing more than derogatory in nature. Juro tells Cypher to please refrain in the future as the comments section is meant for the artwork in question Cypher edits her message and puts in a little jab about censorship ------------------------------------------------ Juro responds: "I just read your little snide comment about "censorship" in Artoonators gallery. I've warned you about only using gallerys for commenting on artwork, and artwork only. This is a very strict rule and one I'd advise sticking to as nothing says 'ban' more than pissing in peoples gallerys and trying to start arguments. If you really need to persue your childish endevors, keep it to the say what as I've said. As you're already on a warning from Martin I'd tread very carefully from now on. Juro Community moderator ---------------------------------------------------------- Cypher then sends the reply PM (I figured this was acceptable since you posted Pam's pm) I'm really not worried about anything you say, Juro, as it holds no weight with me. Please keep blathering on as I will continue to scoff your way at your belief that you're at all respected, or respectable. Don't bother me again with a threat, just ban me or keep your mouth shut, as I don't regard idle threats as anything but you trying to establish that you have some sort of power, which we can all clearly see... you don't *grin* ------------------------------------------------ It was this demonstration of blatent disrespect for the moderator team, ergo it's policies, that sent Martin over the edge. Now for all those complaining about censorshiop...funny, not one bit of   gadaboutx 's words have been edited have they? As it would be easy for me (or any mod) to delete these posts..or hell, even the whole news item. The fact remains that many issues going on w/GFX are attempted to be kept between the parties involved. If we were to name every single person that has given problems to the site in recent past there would be a list longer than this post. I mean, do you really want to know about the stalker who created over 30 false accounts? Or the chick in India who created 15 accounts to inflate votes? Or maybe the new member that was creeping out one of our regulars? No, of course not...so why would you want to know about one's temper tantrum? --------------------------------------------- Now in closing I wish to bring some reality to the moment (besides the horrid truth about current world events that have more importance, as stated above).. Go ahead Jenifer, Cypherx, whatever you want to call yourself...keep poking, keep ranting, keep crying and screaming injustice...you can twist this into you being the victim of the system all you want..I won't try and stop you. Why? Because this is the internet, and you, this site, and all your woes disappear when I click that little x on the top right of my screen. Like all those who proclaim to have an army of followers...you will falter, you will fail...you will be forgotten, because that is the nature of the beast in terms of the web community. In my 2 years here I have yet to see anyone truely put everything on the line to support someone else in the crosshairs on this site... This is applies to all types of people...not just those trying to cause a ruckus...I mean, I wonder how many people even think about   Taintra still. As much as I participate here, even I left for almost 2 months w/o anyone noticing...eowyn, imperfecta, Dax, Kurlwoski, Peachysticks...all at one point core GFX members...have taken off for awhile and I see no one clamoring about it. So yeah, cry censorship, cry injustice, enjoy your 15min....everybody deserves it sometime. But in the end...your point (which you really haven't just flat out stated) will be forgotten. Wysiwyg http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157643 gadaboutx: Boy for a banned member, you sure got a lot to say. To everyone else: People don't seem to realize Mods don't have the power to ban anybody. That decision is made by the admins. So if you need to judge the action realize who took the action. Move on, there's nothing else to see here. emarts http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157628 and all this has done is brought up a situation where there are a lot of upset artists and this has been boiling up for a very long time. and now its just exploded and left a big, messy splash all over the place. think about it people. why is this happenning? obviously it cant just be the banning of jen thats caused this. bakatron http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157627 a hundred! YAY! Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157626 is this what killed the gfx wall project, seems a big stupid shame to me, cypherx didn't kittykat do an image of you once....wow, things change huh....i don't really have anything important to say...so i thought it belongs here. PeterGrave5 http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157612 Uhmmm...what happend? I heard something about awards, mods, and angry employess with bubble wrap. My clickie-finger hurts from refreshing. Manifestant http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157609 Meph, are you talking about the reason I got banned, or are you speaking of before when I questioned them on why a piece of artwork was taken down, and I was asked not to question the mods, and so I made a stink, and finally Martin & Codehead told me? gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157608 Lol Brandon is there something we should know about you? I thought i heard mention of your name on an........ "interesting" video i once watched. Lol. And andy,........ bwa hahahahahahaha im just not gonna say anything MePhIstoZoR http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157606 or someone could start up a WCW version of GFX and we could have Royal Rumbles and ting and we could have defectors who double defect and come back only they arent who you think they are cos they are wearing masks! Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157605 ok just agree to disagree and dont talk to each other again! Easy as. Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157604 HAHAHAHAHA Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157603 The only way I'd agree to the suggestion of them "kissing and making up" is if Glenn were a girl and they videotaped it (and of course made it available here). Otherwise I think that option is right out... Byonder http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157599 hey I am deadly serious all the time MePhistoZor! But now this is my advice. Everyone shoud seriously just kiss and make up. No matter how upset anyone has got or hasnt got its not really that important in the end, whatever the arguments! Group hug!!!! Only I don't do group hugs on account of my englishness but you lot all group hug! Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157597 I'm suprised that so many of you guys and girls seem to be content with putting this down to "being banned for expressing your opinions" and whatnot. Brandon said it quite well, there is more to it than meets the eye and you shouldn't be judging us so quickly. Sure, someone was banned who was a good artist, but that doesn't mean they acted responsibly or appropriately. If the site was turning as bad as some of you claim it to be, i wouldn't be here either. Although i am a moderator, it doesn't mean i'm not an artist anymore, and that i don't care what is / is not happening here in terms of guidelines etc. Most of our members are very nice and understanding, when i unpublish works, i give a polite reason and 99% of the time they send me back a message saying that they understand etc etc. We are not adverse to talking with you if you have a problem with a decision we've made, sometimes we'll tell you you can repost or whatever is the appropriate thing to do in your situation, it's when you start abusing us, or ignoring us completely that we get a little annoyed. Cypherx went WAY past that line. I "know" (in terms of seeing you around and commenting and speaking to you etc) a lot of you here, and i'm glad to see there are a few people here that realise how silly this kind of inflammation of a situation is. *sigh* Oh and at   Byonder and   Andy--Jones ...... you guys crack me up I've been reading your posts on this topic and i can't stop laughing MePhIstoZoR http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157589 I think the answer is clear, get rid of certain mods and hire new ambiguous administrators (you can tell the good mods by the fact that you cant remember their names, these are the ones that are doing their job correctly IMO) bigkate http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157571 YAY for Dean! *sigh* deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157566 Dean, you just gave me chills! It's like 'Say Anything' when John Cusack held the boom box above his head. I feel the love!! Can somebody upload a Peter Gabriel tune, damnit? addicted2macs http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157564 lol Chef Ramsey! Just call him Gordon, we do! Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157563 inside McDonalds?! I've dreamt of going there but thats just for the rich people they always stop me at the door NoxiouS http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157561 She makes a good point actually. Although... since this is privately owned the owners can do what they will. Foot http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157560 ill take you to MacDonalds....because i'm such a classy guy, I'll take you inside...no drive thu. deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157559 Just be careful... If you don't roast a rube just right, they can be a bit stringy. The key is the marinade.... addicted2macs http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157558 I like waffles NoxiouS http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157557 time to go watch Chef Ramsey yell alot. gfxtist http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157555 I prefer grilled gammer/gaffer goiters, troglodytes truffles, stewed spinsters, and roasted rubes, myself. So where are we dining tonight, Dean? gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157550 I had at least 3 starving children today...and let me tell you, they're nothing but skin and grissle. Hardly enough to fill the stomach. I much prefer a nice fat bureacrat and a flowery merlot. addicted2macs http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157548 damn... TOLEDO http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157544 ...speaking of starving children, I'm pretty hungry... deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157543 TOLEDO Are you saying that I am making fun of starving children? I did that last week!!! pay attention. Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157538 wow! this is going straight to hell... maybe you are loosing a chance to change some things, for the ones who like this comunity I mean. I'm surprised by some people here, you should try to make this a better place instead of make fun of it. For the ones who are worried for the starving children, the freezed homeless and the bombarded civilians... c'mon... I mean... pffff... TOLEDO http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157537 Yes, but kids don't have many rights anyhow, often adults tend to ignore their opinions and write them off as not important. Let's deal with all people as children are dealt with. There is no gray area, only the parents will, and that's the right way! Hear hear! gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157535 It's funny, when you think about it. Back when I was a kid, I'd go over and hang out at a friends house for the day. I'd have fun, maybe grab lunch, watch TV--just sit back and enjoy myself. But the minute I started fighting with my friend, or yelling at his mom, I'd get sent home! The nerve. addicted2macs http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157534 I think the mural should be in your own blood and fecal matter, as that always makes more of a "woe is me" statement. gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157530 do the mural after the mid day sun has gone Brandon, as you will find doing it at the hottest time of the day, will dry your blood quicker than you can blend your reds. I find early morning or early evening is best, still good amount of natural daylight and it is always at a nice position in the sky. Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157527 Ok, that's it...I'm unpublishing all my work and "leaving" if I have to read any more of this plebeian claptrap! Then I'm going to find out where Martin lives and I'm going to PICKET in front of his house! After that I'm going to find out where Glenn lives and I'm going to take a DUMP on his lawn. That'll TEACH him!! Then I'll probably cut myself and paint a mural with my OWN BLOOD!!! Byonder http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157526 ill remember you deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157524 Pam, I didn't "drag" anyone into this. If they responded it was their choice, you can ask any of them, as I never twisted anyone's arm, nor asked anyone to respond. PS- I dig how you claim that it's so boring, but you can't stop yourself from hitting that refresh button, can you? gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157523 Well I think that suggesting anyone's mind is being taken away from what's really important was where I faulted you, as it goes without saying that travesties are ongoing and this is small. Remember those same tragic events will be forgotten tomorrow, so know that I'm well aware that people here won't care about this, or even remember it or me next week. Doesn't mean I'm going to shut my trap about it for the moment though gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157522 im upset cause you are dragging everyone into this. this is your problem not theirs. Go express your self in a painting, stop your ranting its boring. enough is enough all ready. kittyKat http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157520 I'm not arguing the validity of your dispute, I'm just saying that sometimes a little perspective is in order. I'm a member of a couple online communities--'cause I'm an admitted geek--and this type of thing pops up all the time. It's a shit storm for a day or two, and then it blows over. Of course it's important to you. Obviously it's important to a lot of people. But, this, too, shall pass. And tomorrow morning, we'll all wake up in our comfy beds, maybe go to jobs, maybe go to school, fire up our fancy computers and tablets, and keep doing what we're doing. It's all a bit silly, isn't it? addicted2macs http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157519 Bigger hole? How exactly could I dig myself into a bigger hole than having my main account banned? And by “brought down” do you mean I've sunken the spirits of the entire site, and I've singlehandedly ruined everyone's day? Or do you perhaps mean that too much attention was focused on this as opposed to whatever it is you have going on. And I don't think that by me expressing my opinion & side of things I've done anything wrong. People can always choose to ignore it, or not, but I guess that's why you're upset, isn't it? *grin* gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157518 Jen I have an idea why don't you go paint! keep your self busy and stop digging your self into a bigger hole you have brought down the whole entire site today and that pisses me off. kittyKat http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157515 Hmnnn, yes, how to address that, Addicted. Well I won't do it and try to sound "nice", as we've already established that's not my method, but to suggest that anyone is trifle because they're paying attention to this (mind you, you're not neglecting your posts, kumquat), is absurd. People die every day, people fall in love, etc etc. To suggest that this doesn't matter because it doesn't hold that sort of magnitude or because it's just written text & means nothing seems ridiculous, especially coming from someone who seems to have the Internet plugged into themselves as much as anyone else here. I say that if something does matter to someone, doesn't matter if it's life, death, the little things that make us happy, sad, etc. Then let it matter to them, and stop trying to put them down because you're so high and mighty and above it all. Just because I didn't have someone I know die today, doesn't make my little drama any less important than anyone else's in the world, what matters is it's important to me, and the same goes for anyone else. I shouldn't doubt the validity of my feelings because I'm not being shot at. gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157514 Imagine if you just woke up in the shower this instant and discovered that the internet hadnt even been invented never mind this thread in GFX! Wow I could invent it again, only thing is I still don't even know how to put links in the say what! So it would be the most ironic of predicaments...I have the idea for a world wide web and havent got the foggiest what the hell I should do! Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157512 no way is this better than Emmerdale! They had a show house blow up the other day! A full sized small house! Beat that! Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157508 OMG! ARZILLIER66 http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157504 This drama is better than any soap opera on TV or even the real life... dah moserArtist http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157498 I'm wondering if, when Cypherx really stepped over the line as kittykat says nobody here knows about that o_O Azurelle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157494 I really don't think the mods should kiss anybody BaronImpossible http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157492 I couldn't agree more addicted2macs, but you know...when you live your life with your ass glued to a computer chair the drama of online communities really starts to seem important... Byonder http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157490 Folks, something like 86 people died today 'cause an earthquake caused a tsunami in Indonesia. The Middle-East is exploding like it's the 4th of July. The average lifespan of most of Africa is around 27 years of age due to AIDS. Let's cool down and get some perspective. Kiss and make up? addicted2macs http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157486 "I think it would be better if he just posted what was said to me, and what I said to counter it, and give people credit enough to decipher what happened themselves." I agree with you on that fully. Let the words speak for themselves. Oh and this is something for 'breast' lovers: http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/3790/mainphpg2viewcoreel7.jpg Wallace http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157485 this has very less to do with Juro's annoying awards, and more about his character as a moderator. gfxtist http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157466 I think I was pretty honest about what happened, so I would be very interested in seeing the "side" that Martin would post. I think it would be better if he just posted what was said to me, and what I said to counter it, and give people credit enough to decipher what happened themselves. That's my vote, and it won't happen because they'll say something akin to "we feel no need to explain ourselves in this matter as it has already been decided, just know that whatever events lead up to it did give us reason to go about it the way we did ~ Your loving and caring art overlords" but hey, I could always use a dose of humility. Prove me wrong. gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157461 I don't know honestly, but I hope not That's all I meant, was that it would be sad if that was the case. eshine http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157458 summersong said: Its a shame to think one could be banned just for speaking an opinion. You don't honestly believe she was nuked from the site because of this right? If so you are wrong, I will not go into details here what went on. It was many things over a long period of time. All I can say is wait for   Martin to sign back on. Two sides to every story kittyKat http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157444 Its a shame to think one could be banned just for speaking an opinion. Of course I don't know the whole story and I certainly hope everything can work out for the best. But this does make me sad. I don't know much about the Juro award, (I never got one ) but what I think, is that it could be percieved to be something special akin to "winning" something (such as an elite nomination, etc) and maybe those who do not recieve a special award feel left out. Maybe those who don't receive a special award feel like they are not popular enough. I don't know, I never cared about getting any special awards here, only to share artwork and ideas, to learn new techniques and maybe even offer some helpful suggestions to others. I suppose, in my humble opinion, a moderator should be unbiased. Never-the-less I am hoping things will work out for everyone. /hugs Erin eshine http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157434 I think this site is the most helpful and friendly I've seen, thats why this makes me really sad NoxiouS http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157429 I suppose each side has its strong points , I'm not taking any sides , but this is a all too common fight in art communities , because artsits are meant to oppose each other light magnets. Who knows , this place has far less issues , problems , wank , and overall bad taste than deviant art , and I respect that. Archaenon http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157424 I'm agree with you TOLEDO, that's the most important thing. You can't have a personal fight with a user and then bann him only 'cause you're a moderator and can do it. In a user's fight, the first thing is to moderate (that's the word) the discussion... try to calm down both parts and even if the users hate each other, to finish the fight. The bann tool, is only for extreme cases... Now, if i have a moderator thats banns users 'cause he or she didn't likes what another user says, and starts a fight, and instead of calm down the thing, uses his or her faculties and bann unilaterally the other person... then, maybe he or she will be happier being a simple user. it would save a lot of comments like these ones XD Driany http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157401 feel free to do what you want by   lolita Isn't it ironique that people can fight ina community about such things while OTHERS have to fear - will they have something to eat tomorrow? Will they have a home? A place to sleep? Some closes to wear? How unimportant it all seems compared to a stupid witchhunt about minor reasons.. Azurelle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157398 Well, no, that's not the point D. This is a user v/s moderator issue... and a fight between users can perfectly cause a ban. My point is, if you are a moderator, you don't take part in fights; you moderate them to the happiest ending. Now, if you are a moderator, position given by a higher power, you should never put yourself in a position were you can loose your neutrality, and most important, putting the name of GFX in doubt. TOLEDO http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157384 Well, that's the point!!! if a person fels hurted for his or her comments, them is a USERS thing... Not moderator thing!!!! Is common sense!! a fight between users doesn't causes a bann! Driany http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157377 This will sound very obvious, but moderators shall moderate. Taking sides and giving “prizes” is not moderation. Now, if the big fish here let that happened, that’s another story. TOLEDO http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157376 I'm agree with bakatron and gadaboutx. Even if a webpage isn't a democracy (is a tyranny of a administrator, and the moderators are them dictators XD) is a thing of common sense, you can't bann users only 'cause you don't like what he or she says or said... I was a moderator in a forum, and there was an strict code of behavior to which we all moderators had to obey. We couldn't edit the messages of the users without consulting first the involved ones, we couldn't banear a user without putting under a mayor consultation with other moderators and the administrator. There a lot of simple rules to to avoid the abuse of the moderator's faculties, and they're all was public rules too, so the transparency was the first thing at all. To moderate in that forum, wasn't a permanent job. If an administrator had too many complaints on the behavior of one of them, he was out of the moderator 's team. They must be an aid, non a cause of problems. Is hard to moderate in a good way. I think, in this trouble, if Juro was a common User, this wouldn't happened at all . Driany http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157370 Good post Seline... Even though, there will always be the good ol' issues with the voting system Interesting thread, btw. Nice to get things out into the open. henning http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157357 PS: I think a way to solve trouble maybe is to get rid of the Juro awards. It is a nice idea for sure, but it seems to stir up much trouble between people because some might feel treated unfair, like some think Juro only posts them for people he likes. So easiest way is indeed: leave it to the elite award everyone is longing for anyways und you just have the usual trouble GFX always had to deal with left Azurelle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157354 Funny, but I have never seen any art community that has to deal with such problems that much as GFX. I left here last year because of this reason and I thought about leaving now again but in the end that wouldn't change anything so I might probably try to stay and tell you this: Since 2003, this is the time I know this place, I have seen so many many maaany discussions mainly always containing the same topic - why do some get more attention than others? And because of that people are blaming each other. This is as redicioulous as we know that awards are given out everywhere in your life, and some reasons can be enough for people to give some artists more attention than others. Some artists may post a lot of nice comments to get it, or others just trust in their "skills" to get what they want. But this certainly is a witchhunt art was not made for. In the end everyone can decide for himself how he wants to handle it. I personally wouldn't go around and do anything for an award for which I feel I am not skilled enough - I know that some people are doing this. They might have a reason and the reason for many people is that they want attention, which in some way is what art is all about, but merily you shouldn't forget that what always stands behind great art is the IDEA not the fame. Azurelle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157341 id give it a poopie but uhm i think it'd be overkill. bakatron http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157337 haha good one vince! (thumbsup) deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157334 I call it sheating Wallace http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157332 I wouldn't expect for Glenn's responce quickly because he is online since some hours, and he is more busy with moderating some topics. pawlack http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157329 hahha what the hell is that, Wallace? Fecal eateries. Brandon, I figured with your boast you were trying to flip switches, I suppose I misjudged you on that count. gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157327 Awaiting Glenn's side of the story... *sits patiently on the upper right corner of your screen* Oh and here is something you might want to do sometime http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/1299/mainphpg2viewcorero8.jpg Wallace http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157326 Jen, actually knowing how NOT to flip CERTAIN people's switches while still making your point might be something you'd want to look into. Then again, you seem to be doing smashingly Byonder http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157321 I think that it's reasonable to ban someone who is being rude or disrespectful, but NOT for having a diferent opinion, and you can't just censor everything that you don't like, and start to threaten people cuz they say things you disagree with, thats just abusing your power. NoxiouS http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157320 well as I know the mods keep all convos they send and all responses, I give permission for them to post exactly what was said to me, and my exact response. The only added ingredient that I didn't say was that there was already a brief history with Juro, as I've told him in the past I find him to be daft, but that's nothing new, and it wasn't needed for my already lengthy rant. And Brandon, as much as I KNOW you believe yourself to be the center of the world, it's possibly you just didn't know how to flip their switches as easily as me. I can step on toes with a smile and make it short and to the point. Perhaps all your writing was overlooked and they missed whatever point you might have been trying to convey. gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157316 I've got to agree with Brandon here. I suspect that a big piece of this story is missing. I'll be waiting until I see both sides before I draw any conclusions. sdavis75 http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157307 I'm not to say what's right and wrong here because I'm really nobody, I've only been active a month and a half... But Dean and Abbas hit the spot. This is controversial and silly at the same time. On this topic I saw nothing ban-worthy. Nothing here but silent words, friends, not even excessive violence/nudity. klyph http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157306 I've publicly gone head-to-head with Juro on MANY occasions and was never banned. He was basically my arch-nemesis for about 2 years. That being said, I'll have to assume there is much more to this situation than meets the eye... Byonder http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157294 was referring to andreea's comment...(lol i guess my statement was ambiguous) sigh deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157292 and thats pretty much it from me on the matter. bakatron http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157286 lol, that an ambiguous retort if I've ever seen one deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157282 sorry guys...but i agree Cigaro http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157279 You know this isnt the first time that a certain moderator has caused some level of controversy. Then again, I'm not one to speak since I've actually dragged some of my own here. I'm a Professional Artist and quite frankly some of the idiotic-ness that I've encountered here is incredibly unfathomable in my years of experience. I've been making fun of this whole award system for a while now - I can't believe people are actually getting away with this nonsense. I even made my own batch to parodize this whole award business and I only award them after consulting the artist in question. Do you realize that each and every one of the 'poopie' awards that I've given away have been given in consent, and in reality theyre actual protests towards this entire concept. We're all making fun of it and no one up there seems to get it? Who on earth has the right to start awarding these obnoxious, poorly drafted monstrosities anyway? Do you see what this has caused. I for one, am not posting on this forum in the near future. It s a wonderful place with some amazing talent. I've met a lot of my friends in the artistic community here, but quite frankly I cant bare to see this anymore. I cant go watching us tear each other apart over this moronic, substandard, and immature level of conduct by some people. bakatron http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157266 yea, wtf is going on here folks? Can we not disagree with each other and still coexist? Do I understand this correctly? If we disagree or disrespect a mod we are destined for banishment? Well, LOL, I'm certainly guilty of that crime.... This is an effin ART COMMUNITY!?! So some people are sarcastic and possibly "mean" to others. BOOOO HOOOOOO....cry me a river. I feel sorry for some of you and how you deal with the world outside of this environment... (To nobody in particular) You say I'm not professional or you're dissappointed in me? Who are you to judge me dude? Other than the crap I post on here, you don't know a damn thing about me... I was ready to delete all of my work last night when I heard about this. I consider Jen my friend and had enjoyed working on our WIP together.... I am sad that she is gone and I think the banning of her account is wrong. I'd like to finish what she and I started, but who knows how long I will last now..... deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157232 What about this? And don't forget to read about the comments: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/179978/video/R/CFD_1002/ trangle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157230 I know this is just one side of the story, but it's pretty rediculous. I would have thought the only reasons to be kicked out would be blatant and gross disregard for the guidelines of the community. I find it a bit odd that "Thou shalt not wrong thy moderators" a rule, but then again, I'm sure an unreasonable amount of fighting would have had to ensue to warrant a banning. (But, in that case, aren't they both wrong??) Usually I just read what people have to say, but I felt rather obligated to put in my two cents here, if for no other reason than that this whole thing makes me uneasy and unhappy. Alecueous http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157226 ^omfg that's like so funny dude.... deandude http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157223 Have a bad day? Go see here: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/30276/video/R/CFD_1002/ trangle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157219 amen pawlack http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157214 jen, couldnt agree more at this point! bigkate http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157206 Amen sister! gfxtist http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157189 Crime and Punishment, GFX style Attention members of GFX, you’re part of a socialistic art community, some of you are already aware of this fact, and choose to ignore it, some of you are oblivious to it, some of you could have an inkling but you’re so busy having your egos stroked, you’re not willing to accept it. This isn’t a political community, nor the boyscouts, you would think that there would be a little leeway when it came to the parameters set for how one must speak or act. I was cypherx and once this name is taken from me, I’ll probably leave it be, or perhaps not, as I’m an avid believer in freedom of speech. I wasn’t banned because of my gross misconduct in Saywhat, you would think that would be the case, but it wasn’t. The basics of the slight drama that unfolded were that I was in saywhat with Artoonator and Juro, looking at Arne’s most recent piece of artwork, and telling Juro, slightly in jest, slightly as mockery, that Arne doesn’t need his giant [tacky] award. Juro has it in his very very overly-inflated head (for reasons I have yet to understand as he can’t validate an ego with a single driplet of thought or from what I’ve seen in his gallery, skill) that every artist on this site strives to get the acclaimed “Juro award”. I have it in my head otherwise. Anyhow, back to the so named drama that led up to my dismissal. I’ll tell it like it was, keep it brief as I can as I too am a fan of brevity, and let’s face it, half (I’m giving myself a dramatized amount of credit there) of the readers who’ll read this before it’s taken down don’t give a rats ass to why it was I was banned to begin with. Basically, Juro threatened Arne, saying he would take down the trophy, over something that I said. And I went to comment on Arne’s work, and I saw no trophy so I said “looks like Juro took down the award after all”. Or something to that effect as I’ll have to paraphrase everything. Juro edited my comment and then noted me telling me I’m not to address him in any members gallery as it’s for the artwork, and not for prattle. I put a “blatant censorship” sort of bit in there, and he noted me again. This time threatening to ban me. I let him know in no uncertain terms that I don’t respect him, as he’s a numbskull, and if he’s going to ban me, he might as well do it as opposed to sending me idle threats all of the time (mind you this isn’t the first time Juro has threatened to sick Martin on me). So basically, it boils down to my getting banned because I hurt Juro’s highly sensitive ego. Marin backed it up because even though he knows Juro is a nit, he doesn’t want to cause any more complaints within the ranks of the mods, who’re already highly annoyed with my antics & apparently aren’t appreciated enough for their dedication to the site. That’s all bullcrap of course. Artists are constantly breaking thru censorship barriers, I find this small and insignificant incident to be no different. Juro, you want people to respect you, stop screaming “lookie me, lookie me, I’m a mod and I’ve just given your art my approval, it must be good, I’m so controversial and on the forefront of what other artists should strive to be!!”. Martin, just because the mods are willing to work for you for free, doesn’t mean you should bow down to their every whim, especially when you know for a fact, despite what you might say, that the punishment did not indeed fit the crime. Get a backbone. I was never one of those people who’re like “he’s a mod, lets get em!!” I found Codehead to be refreshing in that he wasn’t as boisterous as Juro, and his cronies. This wasn’t a rebel without a cause sort of deal, it was them (juro to be exact) picking at me because they felt they needed to break me. I had toyed with the notion of not saying anything at all on my behalf as that’s EXACTLY what they expected to happen, but the idea of just letting something set pretty doesn’t exactly stew well with me. I think all you people who can just sit there and allow GFX to continue on as it is (believe it or not you do have a choice of art comms), weeding thru anyone who might respond differently, are far too complacent for your own good, and perhaps you shouldn’t call yourselves “artists”, but attention whores (more so than me). If all you’re hoping for is to come here, drop off your art and get an “awesome” now and again, why the hell are you painting to begin with? There’s so many other ways to get pats on the head and a happy sappy smile and love from people. I’ll be ok, I didn’t agree with the voting system here anyhow, I will miss the idle prattle with some of the artists though *wipes single tear out of crusty eyes* ta ~Me And I'm glad not everyone has blinders on to the world here, so it wasn't a blanket statement... I do realize some are aware and opposed to it gadaboutx http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157182 I just wanted to say that I strongly disagree with lastest decisions. Sorry. pawlack http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157152 It's not really one specific case, nor have members been suspended due to major GFX crimes. I did feel I had to address the fact that some members use the controversy around the submission moderation as an excuse to respond to moderators with contempt. I posted this item to stress that I am 100% behind the moderators and that when people go against their decisions, I have no choice but to use some of my super powers. You can disgree with a call, you can try to change our mind, or point to guidelines and demonstrate we're making the wrong decision, but patience runs out when moderation requests are ignored or when the member in question feels the guidelines don't apply to him/her. Martin http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157099 *sends andy food parcels and money* I had no clue it was all going like this. So I'm a bit like WOW, what have I missed? o_O Azurelle http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157094 Me! I have been kicked out. Please send me food parcels and money. Andy--Jones http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157090 So who was kicked out? moserArtist http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980157037 I see lot of thing have happened lately here. Well I guess some people can be a bit less tactful about their life in general. RobertVovk http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980156987 ...I always miss the fun... sniff.... Mythmaker http://www.gfxartist.com/general/general_news/126873#980156964 Understand that I am not asking anyone to leave this place, I thank everyone who is here and contributes to an awesome display of creativity. However, when you have the idea that things are 'out of control' here lately, understand that there are two parties involved. We don't take pleasure from pulling our ranks, but in some cases we don't get a choice. I simply want to stress that the guidelines are, and will be enforced. If you can't accept these guidelines than that's fine, just don't assume that getting others on your side and raising hell about it will make it all go away. Martin