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   05/25/03 @974

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    Martin

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Vote system changes, please read


Due to many reports and complaints we have received and recent cases of vote fraud using accounts only for voting we have decided to make a few changes to the vote system.

First of all the -1 vote is gone. It has become a source of negativity and we feel it cancels out the purpose we once gave it. The 0 vote will remain. It allows people to make a statement, even though it will in no way affect the score or rank of the artwork.

The second change is of a larger scale. We have introduced a score system that categorizes the members into groups based on their 'activity' and reputation. We keep the fine details to ourselves, since we don't want to help the badguys manipulate the system. What it basically does is assign you a score based on your actions and reputation within GFXartist, it's a quite complicated calculation so the score will be updated once a day. Based on your score we will extend the amount of points that you can reward an artwork. People in the lower ranks will not see any difference, a select group in higher ranks will notice that they can now vote more than +5, some even up to +10.

Those who receive this increase in 'power' still have the choice not to use it but we leave it up to them. We will also not put tags on people and leave the whole score system submerged in the backend of the site.

Rather than limiting the members in the lower rank we give the higher ranked members the power to correct deviant behavior when it comes to voting. In the end it mostly comes down to subjective reasoning and we feel a couple of hundred active, respected members have a better judgement than a handful of admins.

Now some of you might wonder why we avoid a system where a vote has to be accompanied by a comment. We on one hand fear that the amount of votes will decrease, and the amount of halfbaked comments will increase. On the other hand we think the privacy the current system provides the members the freedom let their vote reflect their true opninion.

This information will also be added to the FAQ. Next time to vote you might see and increase in the points to cast. As usual, feel free to discuss the above in the comments.

UPDATE: There is a forum thread available. Please post any questions you have there to keep things centralized. Look through the thread first to check if your question has already been answered.

Cheers,

Martin
on behalf of
Team GFXartist

 
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Avatar Martin

 05/25/03 @979

Naturally Martijn will be monitoring and tweaking the system the upcoming days. If you experience anything that seems out of the ordinary, please report it since it could point to bugs.
 
Avatar KhmjdF

 05/25/03 @999

i tride to vote +8 but it marked me an error
 
Avatar Martin

 05/25/03 @002

Noted, and fixed.
 
Avatar HungerArtist

 05/25/03 @046

hehe. this is going to be awesome! Ill report any errors I get..
 
Avatar enoc

 05/25/03 @056

what a great idea i think it will work very well, how do u decide who is in which level though?
 
Avatar enoc

 05/25/03 @067

just wondering if your voting is up to 10 do you vote on a scale of 1-10 or do you vote from 1-5 and the other 5 are like bonus points?
 
Avatar enoc

 05/25/03 @072

when i vote for the first time i can go up to 7 but when i go to change my vote i can only vote from 5-10 is that a bug?
 
NightFox

 05/25/03 @390

I give this article a -1.... oh damn... we cant.. ;-)
 
Avatar Martin

 05/25/03 @428

thanks enoc, the error is noted. It also seems some votes didn't come trough we're checking that as well. Seems it's a bumpier ride than we expected, so give us a few days to finalize. Thanks for reporting!
 
kss

 05/25/03 @696

sounds good :) it works for me.

a cool feature would to be able to see what are the votes while cliking the average note (for example : +5 +5 +5 +5 -1 +4 +3 etc..)

and to know if there are new comments on our pics (dont always remember how many comments are on each one) so we can check them ;)
 
Darkmaster

 05/25/03 @737

Hey! Good! The new system is very good!:)
 
Avatar Martijn

 05/25/03 @786

Thanks Darkmaster :)

enoc: I think your bug is fixed, could you check this for me?

kss: I like the idea, but I wan't to think about it, and it's backsides. I'll talk about it with Arno and Martin in the pub tonight (if we still go)
 
Avatar enoc

 05/25/03 @920

yup its fixed but i cant change my vote i dunno if thats what you wanted but anyways thats fine with me thanks :)
 
crystl

 05/26/03 @174

nice, this sounds like it's flawless to me. The GFXartist ThinkTank is filled to the brim with creative geniuses :)
 
Avatar Martijn

 05/26/03 @416

enoc: That's right. you've never been able to change your vote anyway.
 
Avatar TJVerhagen

 05/26/03 @693

Great system folks. Hurrah! nomore -1!
 
serg

 05/27/03 @483

I agree with kss - it's really very good and right idea.

Also I think, that people which don't upload works and can't show valid link at their website must not be allowed to vote. Because I think, that a lot amout of such accounts were created only for false. I think that multiple accounts of one "joker" are the root of dishonest voting.
 
serg

 05/27/03 @486

It may be optional. I, for exmple, want to have such option turned on. :)
 
Avatar GoldenH

 05/27/03 @792

i'm confused. I've seen some of the recent elites with AVERAGES of over 6.

Is this what we're trying to do here? I thought the 6-10 scale was to counterbalance people who rated to low, not to pump up averages even higher... it doesn't make SENSE to have an average over 5 on a 5 point scale, then people may feel bad because they didn't get an average ofabove 5.

Point being, the Kade & Ravyn elite is currently at an average of about 6.5, it was higher earlier, but I think it's actually been LOWERED because people with higher totals voted first.... and now, people simply can't vote that high, so it's hurting the average. it doesn't really make sense I fear :/
 
Avatar Martijn

 05/28/03 @008

It's simple... don't look at the avarages. We don't mention them on the site. What counts is the total score (all votes accumulated) of the last week. so even if someone votes an artwork a 1, or a 5, the artwork will still climb in the charts.

for a better explenation there's an article in the faq, it explains how we made the current vote system, and why we made it.
 
Avatar Martin

 05/28/03 @026

As martijn says, averages play no role in the rank of an artwork. You can join us in the forum thread if you like: http://www.gfxartist.com/community/forum/21277
 
Avatar disenchanted

 05/28/03 @240

Re: averages... I think the number of votes should be hidden from everyone except the artist to help avoid this confusion.
 
Avatar Martijn

 05/28/03 @447

We could do that... Martin: What is your opinion about that?
 
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